tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post8810854752492349944..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Welcome to the offseasonTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-28171475844420423952010-10-16T21:38:36.378-04:002010-10-16T21:38:36.378-04:00Agreed. Would not break the bank for Greinke, con...Agreed. Would not break the bank for Greinke, considering this team's timetable. Why deal your young horses when one of them could turn out to be as good as or better than Greinke?<br /><br />@Tao - wouldn't confuse the Mets' spending for loaded teams, necessarily. They've always had the fat wallet but they also always get suckered into lots of bad / unwise / unlucky deals. I think they were still paying for Bobby Bo back then. What a mess!<br /><br />I always appreciated Johnny O's contributions there (if I had a Jays only blog I'd figure out a way to get "Olerud" into the title). Their pitching was pretty suspect to me back then and it's even moreso when I look at it. They really rode Piazza, a few hot hands and a few really good role players during their best years. <br /><br />Anyway, doesn't look like it'll be Bobby V, which should make the discussion moot. I do hope that whomever they hire is allowed some breathing room and is someone the fans will get behind. The team absolutely needs some air in the tires.Jim Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073006507514290075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-70453792624522033742010-10-16T17:57:07.061-04:002010-10-16T17:57:07.061-04:00I can see Grienke being similar to Jeff Weaver in ...I can see Grienke being similar to Jeff Weaver in his next stop. Here's hoping the Sawx or Yanks overpay for him.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35293495578397402902010-10-16T17:49:39.528-04:002010-10-16T17:49:39.528-04:00I agree, Tao, I'm not keen on emptying the pan...I agree, Tao, I'm not keen on emptying the pantry for Grienke. With Rogers' money, they should just sign Lee.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-56951493987477314492010-10-16T17:27:37.144-04:002010-10-16T17:27:37.144-04:00@Jim
I actually don't think that Bobby V is a...@Jim<br /><br />I actually don't think that Bobby V is a bad tactical manager. It's just that he's a guy who sucks up a lot of the oxygen out of the room, and I'm not sure that's what this team needs. <br /><br />Also, go back and look at those Mets teams. They had huge payrolls and were stacked with veterans. <br /><br />As for Greinke: I have a feeling that the Royals are going to look for their Halladay payday, and I wouldn't be willing to give that up for a guy who has had one great season and some spectacular flame-out moments.<br /><br />(Not to be insensitive...but I'm just not totally sure how long he keeps his stuff together.)<br /><br />On the other hand, if you could do it for prospects who were not at the top of your list, maybe you consider it.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-62573164314298833112010-10-16T16:02:49.092-04:002010-10-16T16:02:49.092-04:00@Hurley I think AA said World Series is their dead...@Hurley I think AA said World Series is their deadline.Jim Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073006507514290075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-29643538197820909772010-10-16T16:02:19.634-04:002010-10-16T16:02:19.634-04:00I'm sure the conversation would begin with Dra...I'm sure the conversation would begin with Drabek and probably 1-2 other top-shelf prospects. Anyone thinking they'd get Greinke for the likes of Jeroloman, Rzep and Escobar would be delusional.<br /><br />I wonder how well-regarded any of the past two years' draft picks are, and if they would be in the mix in such a conversation...Jim Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073006507514290075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-22237117005374622632010-10-16T15:59:10.289-04:002010-10-16T15:59:10.289-04:00I just hope this process doesn't drag on for t...I just hope this process doesn't drag on for too long. I'm all for being thorough, but if the reports about 200+ candidates are to be believed, I think that's going a little far. Are there even 200 Major League capable potential managers out there?<br /><br />Here's hoping they get this done at a minimum before the winter meetings.Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84830286792059540852010-10-16T15:44:05.783-04:002010-10-16T15:44:05.783-04:00Grienke would be an awesome addition, but I shudde...Grienke would be an awesome addition, but I shudder to think of who the Jays would have to give up for him.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-89633492640568460352010-10-16T14:36:35.339-04:002010-10-16T14:36:35.339-04:00@Steve G: I trust Dusty Baker about as far as I ca...@Steve G: I trust Dusty Baker about as far as I can throw him if he's working with a young pitching staff. He pretty much sabotaged the careers of Prior and Wood.Jim Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073006507514290075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14137118234779481322010-10-16T14:35:20.470-04:002010-10-16T14:35:20.470-04:00I know the Bobby V dig was directed at this corner...I know the Bobby V dig was directed at this corner, but I think it's more rational to say that his antics are detrimental than to say he can't manage (I watched a lot of Mets ball back in his day and thought he did a fine job for that shitshow of an organization).<br /><br />The Rick Reed/Bobby Jones note was less about those guys in particular (I doubt he had much to do with their performances), and more about the fact that he did more in NY with less talent than the Jays have right now, at least on the pitching end.<br /><br />Given that it doesn't sound like Valentine is in the mix, I <i>think</i> I'll still be happy with whomever they hire, in much agreement with most of the rest of your "NO" list (no Samuel, Baylor, Leyva and Fasano - I think Fasano could be a good MLB manager someday, but not right now).<br /><br />I also wonder if some of the interviewing they're doing isn't to vet out some potential options for managerial staff given the likely departure of at least a few of these guys (Butters, Leyva, hopefully not Murphy). Rivera, Fasano, other organizational guys and outsiders looking for promotion might account for this large list, were that the case.Jim Briggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06073006507514290075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-78142041981258942712010-10-16T13:19:33.127-04:002010-10-16T13:19:33.127-04:00^^ I don't want to say too much, that's pa...^^ I don't want to say too much, that's part 2 of my <i>*planned*</i> weekend blogging. But have at it....The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-5830114221723474472010-10-16T13:18:59.056-04:002010-10-16T13:18:59.056-04:00I hope they'll at least give Phil Wellmen an i...I hope they'll at least give Phil Wellmen an interview. He deserves that much.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-21948504255833577712010-10-16T13:17:33.374-04:002010-10-16T13:17:33.374-04:00can i interject here to ask if anyone thinks aa is...can i interject here to ask if anyone thinks aa is in on the greinke sweepstakes?<br />http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2010/10/royals-intend-to-listen-to-offers-for-greinke.htmlplain_gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-23610389323583682852010-10-16T13:17:04.004-04:002010-10-16T13:17:04.004-04:00Is Grady Little available?Is Grady Little available?Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-60001471315740266512010-10-16T13:05:04.236-04:002010-10-16T13:05:04.236-04:00At the risk of Leyva-ing Tao's comment, I pret...At the risk of Leyva-ing Tao's comment, I pretty much agree. I do wonder, though, if I seem to be leaning towards the Dave Martinez's of the baseball world only because they're all shiny & new. After all, the Sox haven't done too bad with "retread at the time" Tito Francona....The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-15423391171421233512010-10-16T10:32:23.559-04:002010-10-16T10:32:23.559-04:00I read yesterday that Luis Rivera said the Jays to...I read yesterday that Luis Rivera said the Jays told him he didn't get the job, and Bobby V also said he doesn't expect to hear back from them. So they're interviewing a lot of people, but at least they're being pretty straightforward and quick with the guys they don't want.<br /><br />Speaking of guys they don't want, Baylor was dismissed as Rockies hitting coach yesterday and given the very Cito-like title of 'Special Assistant to the GM'... Here's hoping he stays over there.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-5884123220339487632010-10-16T10:01:30.534-04:002010-10-16T10:01:30.534-04:00At the risk of getting put back in my place (again...At the risk of getting put back in my place (again), I'm in no way a fan of Wedge. I think he oversaw a good group of players and steered them into a cliff towards the end of his tenure.<br /><br />And I don't care how well Bobby Jones and Rick Reed pitched for Bobby Valentine.<br /><br />Don Baylor is a retread. Leyva is a crony and has never demonstrated much of anything aside for the ability to stand next to The (Former) Manager.<br /><br />Blair says on his new radio program that Butterfield is already gone to Baltimore to work with Buck Showalter.<br /><br />And Sal Fasano? Don't be ridiculous.<br /><br />So...where does this leave us? <br /><br />NO to Bobby V. NO to Eric Wedge. NOOO to Baylor, Samuel, Leyva or Fasano.<br /><br />Dave Martinez actually intrigues us the more that we think about it, and we loved seeing him in Joe Maddon's ear throughout that ALDS. <br /><br />Not that he's the candidate of choice necessarily. But we're starting to get a good vibe off him.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81530751034507031762010-10-16T02:55:34.424-04:002010-10-16T02:55:34.424-04:00Hiring a manager is just such a crapshoot :/ Terry...Hiring a manager is just such a crapshoot :/ Terry Francona in Boston and Dusty Baker in Cincy seemed like horrible hires at the time. Baker has been good through one year though, and unless you're a talk radio nut, Francona has done really well as Red Sox manager.<br /><br />Meanwhile, Trey Hillman said all the right things in his early years with the Royals, and then did a horrible job. Eric Wedge always seemed to underperform year after year with the Indians, even if he was a nice dude. (Also, when he was still playing and finishing up his career with the Pawtucket Red Sox, he signed a baseball for me.)Steve G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12021363760202667755noreply@blogger.com