tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post7717665487764892161..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Vernon Wells is going to make Blue Jay history in 2010Tao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84894638294861768882010-12-09T06:06:05.033-05:002010-12-09T06:06:05.033-05:00Katelyn, LOL =D
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You should too.I BELIEVE IN VERNON WELLS.<br /><br />You should too.eyebleafhttp://www.playoffs1.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-40874805535280322422010-02-15T14:12:18.750-05:002010-02-15T14:12:18.750-05:00Last thing on Vernon -- he was also one of the guy...Last thing on Vernon -- he was also one of the guys who took less money on the front end of his deal, presumably to let the club add players. His salary appears inflated, therefore, not just compared to his recent onfield stats (although he had a decent 2008 given the lost time to injury), but compared to what he was being paid in the first three years of his deal. If he can return to being a 25-30 HR guy, .300 average, 100 RBIs and decent defense (an slightly above average centrefielder with good range and routes to the deep ball) then he's earning his big money and we should shut up about it. Murphy has to teach him to lay off the crooked stuff, because the stats say he still mashes fastballs.<br /><br />I don't think it's impossible.<br /><br />KCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-39185472414370856012010-02-13T14:55:16.477-05:002010-02-13T14:55:16.477-05:00Gil and others, unless I'm mistaken, I think t...Gil and others, unless I'm mistaken, I think the MLB Player's Union prohibits players making deals like that once they sign a contract. I know a big sticking point with the failed A-Rod trade to Boston was that he couldn't waive some sort of roster bonus or Xth guaranteed year that would lower the overall value of the contract.<br /><br />I'm not sure if this extends to NBA-style releases; i.e. We will cut your contract and you can go to another team if you let us pay you $0.20 on the dollar to do so. I don't hear about it happening in MLB, so I'm assuming these sort of deals are also rare or outright prohibited.Steve G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12021363760202667755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-80267802795484679002010-02-13T14:02:19.758-05:002010-02-13T14:02:19.758-05:00When does the opt-out clause kick in? It might be ...When does the opt-out clause kick in? It might be possible to pay Vernon a chunk of money to take that option, then renegotiate the deal at a more sensible number. But that would be asking an awful lot of Wells. You know, we negotiated a deal in good faith thinking you were THIS good, but because, as it turns out, you're only this good, we want to pay you less. Or drop your salary so we can trade you.<br /><br />Not happening.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-85066011487080109062010-02-13T11:42:38.912-05:002010-02-13T11:42:38.912-05:00Gil, that would be a good idea but the opt-out cla...Gil, that would be a good idea but the opt-out clause makes it kind of impossible. Unless part of restructuring the contract means getting rid of said clause, which I'm not sure Vernon would agree to.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-6735285839335880852010-02-13T10:30:11.455-05:002010-02-13T10:30:11.455-05:00Rogers should take advantage of a cheap team on th...Rogers should take advantage of a cheap team on the field to renegotiate Vernon's contract. Some front loading and deferring of money could make his 2011-2014 years tradeable.<br /><br />Pay him an extra $20m up front and simultaneously defer $20m in the form of $1m per year from 2020-2039 (pension of sorts), leaves about $11m per year from 2011 - 2014. We'd probably still have to eat money to move it, but it's a better proposition.<br /><br />From V-dub's perspective, the dollars don't change, just the timing of them.Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-38331846821502098302010-02-13T02:35:30.144-05:002010-02-13T02:35:30.144-05:00Steve G.
One more of those years and I'm with...Steve G.<br /><br />One more of those years and I'm with you, but I just can't quite believe he's as bad as he's played recently. He could be a mediocre player who excelled for a year or two and built a contract, or he could even be something else, given all the PHDs that were flying around in Toronto. But he seemed to me always to be at least Bernie- Williams good, and probably better. <br /><br />If I'm wrong, Rogers is going to have to eat some serious money.<br /><br />KCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10605826452598792362010-02-12T16:36:17.602-05:002010-02-12T16:36:17.602-05:00KC, the contract doesn't help, but Wells' ...KC, the contract doesn't help, but Wells' production has been poor regardless of his contract. From his age 25 season on, he has two years of average production (105 and 104 OPS+), two really good ones (129 and 122) and two bad ones (85 and 88). <br /><br />His comparable players on Baseball Reference are full of underwhelming guys like Aubrey Huff, Bobby Higginson, Rondell White, Carl Everett, Brian Jordan and Geoff Jenkins. Most of them had decent years here and there, but none of them were perennially great players.Steve G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12021363760202667755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-72504296383343472152010-02-12T16:28:48.321-05:002010-02-12T16:28:48.321-05:00I am not convinced he won't bounce back a bit....I am not convinced he won't bounce back a bit. I definitely think the fans do not help matters - Toronto fans boo far too much, and show themselves to be ignorant bandwagon jumpers. It is, quite frankly, embarrassing.<br />I think it has something to do with some bizarre sense of entitlement - they think they DESERVE a winner, based on the size and quality of the city, or some such nonsense.<br />Anyhow, go Jays! I hope Vernon and the rest of the gang have good seasons, and this year's team is more competitive than people predict.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81480995610707971352010-02-12T16:00:07.266-05:002010-02-12T16:00:07.266-05:00You know what else is depressing? How much I would...You know what else is depressing? How much I would love to split a six pack with you on my stoop. Actually, we could even go swing on my kick-ass lawn swing. You wanna wrestle in our underwear? I'll let ya pin me!You know menoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-19756532627625323982010-02-12T15:54:50.245-05:002010-02-12T15:54:50.245-05:00It's all about the big pricetag with Wells, is...It's all about the big pricetag with Wells, isn't it. Nobody's got anything good to say about him anymore because he's overpaid.<br /><br />I read elsewhere that Wells is 5th among AL outfielders in RBIs over the last 5 years, and that includes 2 weak (injury influenced) years most recently. <br /><br />Not his fault the market corrected itself about a year after he signed the monster contract, which was actually praised at the time in most circles (as discussed on the Southpaw blog last year). <br /><br />If he returns to even close to form, he'll be very useful on this team. And he seems to play better when he's not The Guy, which will be the case shortly. You can't move the contract so enjoy the player and put him in the best position to succeed (right field).<br /><br />Say what you want about VDub, and some of the criticism is justified, you can't accuse him of not caring.<br /><br />KCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-51755101907809606482010-02-12T14:16:25.420-05:002010-02-12T14:16:25.420-05:00All hail counting stats!!!1!!
Is Delgado still ou...All hail counting stats!!!1!!<br /><br />Is Delgado still out there? Or better yet, Winston Wolfe? He would take care of this Vernon Wells "problem" in minutes for the Jays.Steve G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12021363760202667755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-86511541796648299632010-02-12T14:10:13.623-05:002010-02-12T14:10:13.623-05:00I believe in Vernon Wells!
He will return to for...I believe in Vernon Wells! <br /><br />He will return to form this year and be celebrated.Matt Cnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-74193167868736308432010-02-12T12:47:19.094-05:002010-02-12T12:47:19.094-05:00Man you just depressed the hell out of me.Man you just depressed the hell out of me.Matty Lerouxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17184168623914433257noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77585694200279283812010-02-12T12:20:10.688-05:002010-02-12T12:20:10.688-05:00Just the thought of an extension through 2020 just...Just the thought of an extension through 2020 just made me throw up in my mouth a little...MelancholyInkerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17647165282329959429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10553795228417307922010-02-12T11:55:56.307-05:002010-02-12T11:55:56.307-05:00Wells in the leadoff spot actually isn't a tot...Wells in the leadoff spot actually isn't a totally bad idea. I seem to recall that he would shorten up his swing a bit. Maybe we can turn Vernon into a slap hitter in the two-hole!<br /><br />(And just then, I remembered that The Manager holds all of my hopes for a rational approach to lineup construction in his old, rigid hands. And I wept. And turned to the heavens in anger, forsaking all notions of enlightened gods. The Manager made me an atheist.)<br /><br />Looking at his numbers, it seems like Wells has put up his best performances in the SIX(!) hole, which is pretty much where we would slot him if there was a better lineup all around him.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-64622230958235476112010-02-12T11:25:52.487-05:002010-02-12T11:25:52.487-05:00Tao,
a six-pack of Carling on my front step with ...Tao,<br /><br />a six-pack of Carling on my front step with you could be a very engaging experience - be careful what you promise!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-67219245135980340972010-02-12T11:03:26.450-05:002010-02-12T11:03:26.450-05:00Thats quite a few milestones...unfortunately Wells...Thats quite a few milestones...unfortunately Wells limping his way up the all-time ladder is probably not going to cause stampedes at the ticket counter. <br />On a somewhat related note...can we see Cito putting Wells into the lead off spot this year? I think despite Well's complete lack of plate discipline his average+ speed could confuse Cito into letting this happen. <br />On a completely unrelated note. At what point do we lose the picks if Barajas doesn't sign? I have been searching to see if there is a cutoff date but I haven't found one. Second if no one else wants him does anyone see the Jays signing him to a very friendly number and hoping that someone during the season will need a C?dave57https://www.blogger.com/profile/14155025160264738667noreply@blogger.com