tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post7151641471306290581..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Doc to Jays: Drop DeadTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-45502030463555984912009-12-02T09:07:02.579-05:002009-12-02T09:07:02.579-05:00Yeah, as much I admire Tony Viner's plan for A...Yeah, as much I admire Tony Viner's plan for AL East relevance, Handsome Tony still has yet to outline how it will be implemented. I imagine bench boss and line-up misanthrope Cito would reply to Handsome Tony's plan with the following riposte:<br /><br />-'What?! And how much World Series gold do you have on yo cracker ass? What Tony, I can't hear your reply in this wall of silence. Take your plan and file it under fiction yo, cuz while The Cito is here he calls and makes the shots, not some narcissistic paper pusher. The Cito don't tell Tony how to do his job, how come Tony thinks he can The Cito to do his? Look, The Cito don't care if the plan is written on double-bonded ecru paper and has been rendered into a 37 page power point presentation. Pull this shit again on me Tony and imma gonna pop a cap in yo ass!'<br /><br />I mean that's pretty much how I think Cito would reply to Handsome Tony's plan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-7161477475030785282009-12-02T01:54:37.601-05:002009-12-02T01:54:37.601-05:00I couldn't agree more. As painful as it will b...I couldn't agree more. As painful as it will be to see Halladay leave, management has truly decided they are too pussy to make a run at winning. With "The Eternal Building Process" in full flight, it's time to credit The Doc with all he's done for us, calmly show him the door and wish greener pastures upon him.<br /><br />SHOW US HIS VALUE!! BRING US THE PROSPECTS!! WE WANT THE BOUNTY TO GET EXCITED ABOUT!!!Crazy BJShttp://www.crazybjs.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-44438398068134517792009-12-01T22:51:31.261-05:002009-12-01T22:51:31.261-05:00Even the trolls here are of the refined and creati...Even the trolls here are of the refined and creative kind. This sure isn't your DJF crowd.SPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15861389212599241745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-50359092760422510792009-12-01T21:45:30.441-05:002009-12-01T21:45:30.441-05:00You can't get over sixty posts in a thread wit...You can't get over sixty posts in a thread without the fuck offs. It is written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-36733022480817381872009-12-01T21:45:26.802-05:002009-12-01T21:45:26.802-05:00You can't get over sixty posts in a thread wit...You can't get over sixty posts in a thread without the fuck offs. It is written.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81617425747286401492009-12-01T20:56:44.902-05:002009-12-01T20:56:44.902-05:00Hey, Handsome Tony, somewhere along the line, some...Hey, Handsome Tony, somewhere along the line, someone should have said this to Dane Cook and they didn't, but I am going to say it to you: "It's over. You wore it out. Fuck off."<br /><br />Best wishes with the iPhone and the other plans you have to ream your customers, but your shtick is old. Drop in August 2010 and see how your flock yucks it up.Soothsayernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-28426391559577442042009-12-01T20:46:33.503-05:002009-12-01T20:46:33.503-05:00http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AxikaaVnbMg/R9HznZDekBI/...http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_AxikaaVnbMg/R9HznZDekBI/AAAAAAAAAkU/gy97-XhioT0/s400/SCTV-0844.JPG<br /><br />That's me on the left with Jimmy Buffet.Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-48434660854271929172009-12-01T19:54:43.416-05:002009-12-01T19:54:43.416-05:00Gil, your logic is resplendent, and indeed, correc...Gil, your logic is resplendent, and indeed, correct. Do the brains match the physique, as is the case with my handsome self?<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Handsome Tony VinerTony Vinernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-58011337613429154232009-12-01T19:43:36.664-05:002009-12-01T19:43:36.664-05:00"Hate to burst your bubble from the first com..."Hate to burst your bubble from the first comment Gil, but the whole idea behind supply and demand is leverage. (i.e. when supply is high and demand is low the price goes down because suppliers have no leverage). "<br /><br />I wasn't specific enough then.<br /><br />The Jays' leverage lies in the fact that there is only one Doc and there are multiple teams interested in acquiring him (allegedly). The Jays leverage is not lessened imho by Doc's declaration. If anything, it's increased because all teams are alerted to the fact that it's now or never (only the Yankees will be able to sign Doc as a free agent - no one else will outbid them). More teams with a chance to acquire Doc long term = more/better offers on the table during the winter meetings.Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-31718213533735612602009-12-01T19:23:56.478-05:002009-12-01T19:23:56.478-05:00This was all a plan to drum up quality offers. I h...This was all a plan to drum up quality offers. I have everything under control. If nobody offers a great package, I will initiate "Plan B", where I approve a $120MM payroll for 2010 and go for it with Doc on the roster.<br /><br />Look, I am a very handsome individual, and my business savvy is unmatched. Can you afford not to trust a handsome devil like me?<br /><br />This whole story will be a distant, unhappy memory in September, when we are 2 games out of the wildcard, after trading Doc. My personal scouting abilities are unmatched, and my personal projects (Dopirak, Ruiz and McCoy) will prove my erudite baseball prowess.<br /><br />Trust me, it will all work out to the benefit of this organization.<br /><br />Sincerely,<br /><br />Handsome Tony VinerTony Vinernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-75475323922172000962009-12-01T18:43:02.345-05:002009-12-01T18:43:02.345-05:00While this *might* not hurt the Blue Jays in movin...While this *might* not hurt the Blue Jays in moving Halladay, it certainly doesn't help. At the very least, the statement pisses off all the fans - look at all the comments on this entry - and creates a PR problem in the short-term, and a potential nightmare in the future.<br /><br />I am a bit of a prospect hound, but I agree with Tao that compensatory draft picks are very overrated. First, teams have caught on to the trick, and you don't see a situation like the <i>Moneyball</i> A's anymore, with someone hoarding four draft picks. And second, even a player with a year of minor league experience is more valuable than a similarly ranked prospect. More opportunities to scout vs. better competition, plus they are X months ahead in the development curve, and a known quantity.Steve G.https://www.blogger.com/profile/12021363760202667755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-43950488978448282862009-12-01T17:34:39.514-05:002009-12-01T17:34:39.514-05:00Hate to burst your bubble from the first comment G...Hate to burst your bubble from the first comment Gil, but the whole idea behind supply and demand is leverage. (i.e. when supply is high and demand is low the price goes down because suppliers have no leverage). Therefore you have a contradiction. Of course I only bring this up because I am a nit picky bastard.Matt_CChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08433059820256117637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-20023151111137974572009-12-01T16:28:18.552-05:002009-12-01T16:28:18.552-05:00Doc is FINISHED!!!!1Doc is FINISHED!!!!1Navin Vaswani (@eyebleaf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445618400360263938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-15758069122243416452009-12-01T16:18:24.958-05:002009-12-01T16:18:24.958-05:00And Stieb had 2 complete games after his 33 birthd...And Stieb had 2 complete games after his 33 birthday.<br /><br />It's a good thing that Halladay is demanding a trade prior to his 33 birthday.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-46510171065667136562009-12-01T16:09:36.582-05:002009-12-01T16:09:36.582-05:00Stieb had 101 complete games before his 33rd birth...Stieb had 101 complete games before his 33rd birthday? What a stud! <br /><br />I have a new respect for him now ...Ian Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074587524873409802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-61834635119252483222009-12-01T15:55:13.109-05:002009-12-01T15:55:13.109-05:00@Gil. No worries, dude. That's the problem wit...@Gil. No worries, dude. That's the problem with internet forums: you never get to appreciate the nuance and subtlety of communication.<br /><br />Loving the Jays ain't fun. It's no easier when they are owned by a company that I kinda hate as well.<br /><br />I guess we sports fans have to find something to grab onto and ignore all reasonably arguments to the contrary. The problem with the Jays, in my opinion, is there is very little to embrace. It's like cheering for the HBO Canada Fall line-up.<br /><br />Going into 2010, I guess I am cheering for continued progress from Hill, Lind, and Snider. Any fans who want to jump on-board, buy a ticket, buy a hat...have a good one. I am going to take a nap.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-76715128470695659502009-12-01T15:40:50.382-05:002009-12-01T15:40:50.382-05:00I'm just waiting for one little singular Blue ...I'm just waiting for one little singular Blue Jay move that is actually positive, that is not just a gap fill player, or a minor league depth guy, but actually a possible piece of the future.<br /><br />Nothing this team has done since the Anthoupolus hiring has me excited for the future. Sure the scouts hiring is good, that is until you read comments from other GM's suggesting that too many scouts is more harmfull than it helps because all you get is constant disagreements on player evaluations.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-82087824590385230882009-12-01T15:38:19.605-05:002009-12-01T15:38:19.605-05:00So with the Rays trading for Shoppach, what's ...So with the Rays trading for Shoppach, what's this mean for Dioner Navarro? I'm aware of the crap year he had last year, but it looks like he went through some serious shit the last couple of years. Same with Russel J Martin, I'm into the buy low approach.<br /><br />Complete Games<br />Stieb 101<br />Halladay 49<br /><br />Thank you Jays early 80s Pen. Now warming up: Roy Lee Jackson and Joey McLaughlin. Hmmm, maybe we'll just leave Stieb out there to finish.Sven the Swedenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-75006775699415381962009-12-01T15:19:43.639-05:002009-12-01T15:19:43.639-05:00I'm going to keep whining until Doc is traded....I'm going to keep whining until Doc is traded.Navin Vaswani (@eyebleaf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445618400360263938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-41377577185045803882009-12-01T15:12:01.275-05:002009-12-01T15:12:01.275-05:00Darren,
I'm not a "real fans" type ...Darren,<br /><br />I'm not a "real fans" type of guy. You're misreading my comments. I'm not passing judgement on next generation fans, just stating that the ones that can't separate Doc from the Jersey are bringing me down.<br /><br />And when I say they're bringing me down, well I'm taking literary license. But just stop whining, everyone. (me too)Gil Fishernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-65759620423790647442009-12-01T15:08:11.927-05:002009-12-01T15:08:11.927-05:00I get the feeling after a little flurry (Halladay ...I get the feeling after a little flurry (Halladay and Overbay) of activity, we're headed for years of Stand Pat part deux.<br /><br />I just hope it doesn't take eight years for our Fernandez/McGriff orgasm.Gil Fishernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10684003396483485962009-12-01T14:56:00.913-05:002009-12-01T14:56:00.913-05:00TONY VINER IS THE TRUTH.
Tao, I see your K/9 and ...TONY VINER IS THE TRUTH.<br /><br />Tao, I see your K/9 and K/BB and raise you a NO-HITTER. (I'm really fucking pissed off with Halladay right now.)Navin Vaswani (@eyebleaf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445618400360263938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-6100897203504647682009-12-01T14:50:26.388-05:002009-12-01T14:50:26.388-05:00Sadly this could have all been avoided if they mov...Sadly this could have all been avoided if they moved Doc after the 08 season when he had 2 years left on the contract. If they had said that 09/10 were rebuilding years and we'd be competitive by 2011 I think we would have been ok with that. Especially with Doc getting a return of something like what the Rangers got for Tex, instead of being lucky enough to get one marginal prospect or a draft pick.<br /><br />They had to know what the payroll would be in 2010 and that if it wasn't high enough Doc was as good as gone. So the real question should be why did the Jays wait to trade him till the deadline/now instead of being proactive and moving him after his second place finish in the Cy to Cliff Lee.Twitchyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05805183219626465177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84631552134919820882009-12-01T14:46:43.471-05:002009-12-01T14:46:43.471-05:00While the abuse Stieb took in his career may be th...While the abuse Stieb took in his career may be the result of his early demise, don't you wish the Jays would have traded him after his season at 32 yeas of age.<br /><br />While I like to think of Halladay as the perfect pitching specimen, with perfect mechanics, and zero risk of injury, truth be told he is a deminishing return at this stage of his career, the Jays are probably selling high on Halladay.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-42726175312499994262009-12-01T14:44:27.066-05:002009-12-01T14:44:27.066-05:00Could someone explain to me why this is such a ter...Could someone explain to me why this is such a terrible thing. Sure there are some bad aspects to this but I can think of a few good things that come out of this move. <br /><br />Halladay says that once spring training starts his no-trade clause comes into play no matter what. So teams that want to have Halladay have to pony up for a full year of him instead of waiting to the trade deadline and using him as a playoff-run booster. His value is worth more now than it will be then so that gives the Jays a leg up. <br />Also, by moving his own personal trade deadline up by about 5 or 6 months it also moves the high pressure trade deadline talks back by about the same - to coincidentally a time when all 30 gm's are going to be camped out in the same hotel for a week. <br />Sure we lose a bit of leverage by being forced to make a deal before ST but I think that would be more than negated by having Doc being the biggest trade talk at the winter meetings at a time when his trade stock is going to be highest for us.<br /><br />Have I missed something?<br /><br />AndrewAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com