tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post708626800998667535..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: You have to make a choiceTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-62789552759258469822011-06-14T23:36:42.824-04:002011-06-14T23:36:42.824-04:00Cmon Paul, there's really no need for that kin...Cmon Paul, there's really no need for that kind of language around here.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-24520955539636687852011-06-14T23:31:17.988-04:002011-06-14T23:31:17.988-04:00Who was I talking to? Look above and see who swore...Who was I talking to? Look above and see who swore at me. I still think the Jays would be better off on their two year plan if they let some starting pitching learn in the minors, and today's movement of Drabek only solidifies my beliefs.<br /><br />I think I made my case. You don't have to agree with my opinion on the Jays, but I have a right to have it. <br /><br />Seems like it's my way or the highway and fuck you for thinking differently on here.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11933150363003003531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-53963761741257191902011-06-14T21:54:46.447-04:002011-06-14T21:54:46.447-04:00I agree with this post entirely.
And to take it ...I agree with this post entirely. <br /><br />And to take it even one step further, the team really isn't doing too badly... 2 games under .500 in the toughest division in baseball is not terrible. If you are one of those who are complaining that "this team sucks", I really have to question what it was that you were expecting coming into this season. Seriously.rdillon99noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-50404921003348737552011-06-14T21:18:58.533-04:002011-06-14T21:18:58.533-04:00Viva The Plan!
Kudos to Ack and Tao for writing ...Viva The Plan! <br /><br />Kudos to Ack and Tao for writing the post and then defending their turf. You guys are spot on.<br /><br />Throwing big bucks at high-priced free agents is just a crap-shoot. <br /><br />The organization must be strong from the minors to the majors in order to become a contender year in and year out... or do we all wanna keep rolling the dice in hopes of that one magical year?<br /><br />As Always,<br />Go Jays!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81622915493677392742011-06-14T19:11:10.212-04:002011-06-14T19:11:10.212-04:00Burn!!!! Lol this post clearly got peoples backs ...Burn!!!! Lol this post clearly got peoples backs up. BTW I still believe in The Plan.KissMyPurpleButtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-40876501253343594972011-06-14T18:41:44.253-04:002011-06-14T18:41:44.253-04:00Who are you even talking to there Paul?Who are you even talking to there Paul?The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-65407238971111550482011-06-14T18:32:52.330-04:002011-06-14T18:32:52.330-04:00Gee, no more swearing at me. Maybe I AM making at ...Gee, no more swearing at me. Maybe I AM making at least a bit of sense. Backpeddal much?<br /><br /><br />Seriously, even if you want to go with waiting for the prospects to mature, you should really have them in a place where they will mature the best. Looking at our starting pitching in particular, can you honestly say some of these guys wouldn't be better off learning their trade in the minors?<br /><br />The Jays choices as of now seem to be which prospect can we hurt the least by bringing them up. Not the best scenario for either the present or the future.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11933150363003003531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-70696179863210624722011-06-14T16:41:24.596-04:002011-06-14T16:41:24.596-04:00This is exactly the scenario I mentioned earlier t...This is exactly the scenario I mentioned earlier today. Somehow I can't see bringing upo a guy with a 4.50 ERA in AA as a valid replacement. The Jays are just tapped out of options.<br /><br />You can only "go with all prospects and wait a couple years" scenario if you have enough players to at least compete at the major league level, and if you don't, you may need to look elsewhere, bite the bullet and spend a few bucks. Switching Stewart for Drabek seems a little like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic to me.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11933150363003003531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84750312171486614212011-06-14T15:18:47.340-04:002011-06-14T15:18:47.340-04:00Yes, it's abundantly clear that sending a pitc...Yes, it's abundantly clear that sending a pitcher down to compete at the AAA-level for the first time in his fucking career is a harbinger of his imminent flame-out as a prospect.<br /><br />Jesus.mike from ottawanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-62023739538091779772011-06-14T15:11:05.530-04:002011-06-14T15:11:05.530-04:00Obviously our supposedly brilliant GM is freaking ...Obviously our supposedly brilliant GM is freaking out too, because he sent down Drabek after LYING repeatedly about how he would stay up no matter what (through his dopey manager).<br /><br />I can't wait to see what the corporate lackeys say about this one: "Drabek really was struggling, look at his xFIP and drTPOP." "AA is so smart and handsome, I can't wait to blow him again." "Stewart's secondary and thirdendary numbers are better than his ERA, I'm sure his terrible strike out rate will be mitigated by the geniuses we have running this team."<br /><br />Man, we really know how to fuck with all our young players: watch out Lawrie, you're next--you better not have a bad week or struggle is some stat category that no one understands, or else you're going to AAA for a few more years.<br /><br />(SNIDER, CECIL, LAWRIE, DRABEK, MORROW): fucked up development. What other team does this shit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-80696993628712632092011-06-14T15:05:29.082-04:002011-06-14T15:05:29.082-04:00What's baffling me right now is how there are ...What's baffling me right now is how there are a bunch of commenters totally flipping their shit over one weekend against Boston. The first time the Jays have been swept all year. Doesn't matter if you lose 35-6 or 3-0 over three games, it's three losses. A big loss is still just a loss.<br /><br />Three games, guys. THREE FUCKING GAMES. Let's have some perspective here. Grand scheme of things, this weekend isn't a whole lot.Samson Effecthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02741938732803593113noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-17503895996986980702011-06-14T14:58:54.824-04:002011-06-14T14:58:54.824-04:00"There's been no discussion of sending Ky..."There's been no discussion of sending Kyle to Triple-A or to suggest that what he’s dealing with, in his own maturity right now, is leading to that. So that needs to be squelched right now," Farrell said. Jun 12, 7:15 PM<br /><br />Um yea, that's the ticket. :)<br /><br />Let's hope Stewart is really ready for the big leagues, and just just the best of the worst options.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11933150363003003531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-89009471645506981102011-06-14T14:58:28.619-04:002011-06-14T14:58:28.619-04:00hahahahha! fucking liars. Drabek won't be back...hahahahha! fucking liars. Drabek won't be back for a LLLLOOOOOONNNNGGGG time. He'll be down their with Cecil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-26380085712825040922011-06-14T14:49:38.777-04:002011-06-14T14:49:38.777-04:00Yeah, put me on the side of bringing Prince Fielde...Yeah, put me on the side of bringing Prince Fielder to Toronto.Fullmer_Fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35946614134698598402011-06-14T14:45:53.550-04:002011-06-14T14:45:53.550-04:00And just like that, they send Drabek down and call...And just like that, they send Drabek down and call up Zach Stewart. SEE! TOLD YOU THEY HAVE OPTIONS!mike from ottawanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-15981291172496675822011-06-14T14:39:01.380-04:002011-06-14T14:39:01.380-04:00Small point: backing a truck full of money up to ...Small point: backing a truck full of money up to Prince Fielder's back door, even if you CAN afford it, doesn't mean he'll sign with you.mike from ottawanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-90875109276913146312011-06-14T14:37:13.797-04:002011-06-14T14:37:13.797-04:00I fully believe that if they wanted Morrow or Drab...I fully believe that if they wanted Morrow or Drabek in the minors, they would be there. There are plenty of other cheap options in the system to eat innings. It wouldn't be pretty, but again, it's not like it matters a great deal.mike from ottawanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-47051068556113151702011-06-14T14:37:05.525-04:002011-06-14T14:37:05.525-04:00For the record, I would LOVE Prince Fielder at tha...For the record, I would LOVE Prince Fielder at that price. And don't call me a fucking Leaves fan for it--I hate hockey.<br /><br />Fielder at first forming a monstrous 3-4 combo and Lind back to DH where he belongs. I also think we should go aggressively after Yu Darvish, although the record of Japanese pitchers is poor overall, he is half Turkish, a bigger dude, and more likely to be durable when he comes to the majors (which is why the Yankees are going to be all over him.)<br /><br />I get development. I want Lawrie, Cecil etc. up as soon as possible. Why I don't understand is why, if we all knew we'd be shit in 2011 (and we damn well are horrible), why not play ALL the kids all the time?<br /><br />And why not supplement this with a long-term contract for a young 1B just entering his prime? <br /><br />Do you really think any of our prospects are going to be as good as Fielder? Hell no!<br /><br />Rogers is a motherfucking BILLION DOLLAR COMPANY who has no problem squeezing every last penny out of poor and middle-class Canadians and yet we're not allowed to attack them and their bullshit spending policies as it pertains to the Jays? Fuck that corporate bullshit. They should spend, sell the team, or move them out of the city if we have to put up with another 5 years of crap to develop high school arms and pray we get lucky with Type B free agents.<br /><br />Shit.Joshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-3676828194015389532011-06-14T14:31:13.539-04:002011-06-14T14:31:13.539-04:00Everyone has got to stop throwing Morrow and Drabe...Everyone has got to stop throwing Morrow and Drabek in the same boat. <br /><br />FIP, people! Use it.Fullmer_Fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-4108369474271963652011-06-14T14:18:20.812-04:002011-06-14T14:18:20.812-04:00Getting the mid range pitchers would only be a goo...Getting the mid range pitchers would only be a good option if in fact the Jays management believed that the best option would be for a starter or two mature in the minors rather than on the major league team.<br /><br />Right now the jays kind of have all their eggs in one basket. They have no choice but to keep Morrow and Drabek in the majors, becuase they have nothing better. What you don't want is to screw up these two great arms by throwing them to the wolves too early. If that's what they really think is best for them, then who am I to say differently, but it would be nice to have that optioon.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11933150363003003531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-4053812254678612962011-06-14T14:18:18.585-04:002011-06-14T14:18:18.585-04:00I guess I have trouble understanding why a team wo...I guess I have trouble understanding why a team would want to spend extra money on mid-range starting pitchers if it's not something they expect will improve their win-loss record. Don't forget that mid-range starters, the #3 or #4 types, aren't exactly growing on trees, and teams that DO expect to contend get a chance to sign them too.<br /><br />Here's an example: Probably the fourth-best starter in Milwaukee is Randy Wolf (arguably behind Gallardo, Marcum, Greinke). To get him, they had to shell out 3 years/$29.75M (2010-12), plus a 2013 club option, according to Cot's Baseball Contracts. $10 million a year for a #4 starter, on a team that seriously expects to contend. Now, granted, Wolf would be closer to a #2 guy in Toronto, but if the team is not expecting to contend with the rest of the pieces they have, I just don't understand why the Blue Jays would want to commit almost $30 million over three years to have him. He'll be 36 by the time the contract is up, and Toronto probably would have had to spend more to get him there anyway.<br /><br />I suppose a team could go even cheaper and sign a guy like Brad Penny to be a 3 or 4-type starter, but even he's costing the Tigers $3 million this year.<br /><br />In either case, those guys cost real money, which is likely going to come at the expense of other priorities (like the draft).<br /><br />Meanwhile, Morrow and Drabek make less than $3 million between them. They're not dominating, but you have to hope from a player-development perspective that they're figuring out how to get big-league hitters out.<br /><br />The question is, is it worth another $10 million to your organization to have middle-of-the-pack place-filler starters on the big league club, while Morrow and/or Drabek pitch in the minors? And with no expectation that the extra $10 million will result in an appreciable increase in wins?<br /><br />Or I guess you could go out and sign Kevin Millwood to eat those innings for you. Me, I'd rather watch Kyle Drabek walk a few guys than be subjected to that.mike from ottawanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-57927117980328430932011-06-14T14:14:05.282-04:002011-06-14T14:14:05.282-04:00I mean besides a Leafs fan?
#obilgatorydigI mean besides a Leafs fan?<br /><br />#obilgatorydigGil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-38588571634122042072011-06-14T14:13:18.558-04:002011-06-14T14:13:18.558-04:00Free agents are usually completely unappealing. Y...Free agents are usually completely unappealing. You have to target the stars before they get to the age of free agency. To do that you need a stable of prospects.<br /><br />Is anybody really excited about the prospect of giving Prince Fielder 7 years and $140m? Seriously?Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-20348933533846728492011-06-14T14:11:15.666-04:002011-06-14T14:11:15.666-04:00Hey, what's goin' on on this side?Hey, what's goin' on on this side?Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-28941475771373437292011-06-14T14:10:02.389-04:002011-06-14T14:10:02.389-04:00Doesn't that kind of fly in the face of everyo...Doesn't that kind of fly in the face of <i>everyone's</i> preferred philosophy though, Paul? Throwing dollars at mediocre mid-range arms?<br /><br />It seems everyone is in one of two camps....go with young players or spend BIG on all-star calibre players. <br /><br />Paying free agent dollars to lure the Kyle Lohses and Carl Pavanos of the baseball world means you're still not winning & remain in the dreaded "holding pattern" mode... and that would boil more blood than the comments above.<br /><br />Well, maybe not <i>that</i> much, but...The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.com