tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post6995785075966983392..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Observations on the Winter Meetings from a DistanceTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-57806272449966169662011-12-08T11:08:48.030-05:002011-12-08T11:08:48.030-05:00No, they don't get that this is MLB and not PS...No, they don't get that this is MLB and not PS3. Mostly they don't see the reality that is Rogers owned BlueJays baseball. <br /><br />They are willing to continue to buy into the hype of a team that "will contend" and look at every little move as vindication.<br /><br />This move does nothing but keep the hype fuel burning. It shuts down talks of an elite closer, and it fits into the philosophy.<br /><br />Here is the problem though, that they choose not to see. Now that the organization has made it abundantly clear that they will not spend more until revenue increases, we will not see a contender in a Jays uniform - ever. We will see what we have had for the past 15 years. A decent team, with a couple of very good players to be excited about, and then some shuffling around of different pieces to keep the hype fuel burning.<br /><br />If anyone really thinks that this move makes the Jays contend, they are poisoned by the kool-aid.<br /><br />If they believe that they are going to draw 10,000 more fans with the same win-lose ratio as they have had for the last 15 years, they are turning purple from the kool-aid.<br /><br />If they think that this team can beat New York or Boston, then it proves one thing. Being a fan of a team is a lot like being religious. It requires a certain amount of faith. However, like religion, fans can lose their faith as they see their hopes dashed for a couple of decades. And those fans are not coming back for hype, they are only coming back when they see a real winner.<br /><br />In short, this move is a good move for both clubs. Not a great one, but a good one. And it further proves that there is no real commitment from Rogers in building a true contender, we are no better off as fans now then we were when Interbrew owned the JaysAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-73403215084700611682011-12-06T17:48:15.347-05:002011-12-06T17:48:15.347-05:00"Mostly, though, this is the "proven clo..."Mostly, though, this is the "proven closer" deal for which the casual fans clamoured. Are you happy?"<br /><br />so wait, the 'hardcore' fans don't want talented, elite pitchers to close games?<br /><br />does the hardcore set not get that this is MLB not PS3?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-43796424581930419452011-12-06T16:23:46.287-05:002011-12-06T16:23:46.287-05:00Tao - good thing I'm "retired", beca...Tao - good thing I'm "retired", because I loved Grange's "Prince" article and have a hard time disagreeing with the premise.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-50863292639195166412011-12-06T15:18:13.795-05:002011-12-06T15:18:13.795-05:00Drew,
I'm getting us #SameGuy t-shirts.
(Don...Drew,<br /><br />I'm getting us #SameGuy t-shirts.<br /><br />(Don't tell me: You already have them ordered.)Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-48649302264198000082011-12-06T15:08:57.995-05:002011-12-06T15:08:57.995-05:00Keith Law says Molina may only be the Jays 4th bes...Keith Law says Molina may only be the Jays 4th best pitching prospect, and may pan out to be a #4 starter in the bigs or a reliever. He's a control guy who pitched well in low minors. I think this was a good move.Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-11400973544893334872011-12-06T15:07:29.755-05:002011-12-06T15:07:29.755-05:00Six years of value in Santos' contract. Hmmm....Six years of value in Santos' contract. Hmmm. If only I could think of a way to spend that value over the next six years....if only.....Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-36291602117327086682011-12-06T15:02:33.927-05:002011-12-06T15:02:33.927-05:00I used "intrepid reporter" early today. ...I used "intrepid reporter" early today. #sameguyDrewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07271534213351978408noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-76259871070035965902011-12-06T13:45:48.351-05:002011-12-06T13:45:48.351-05:00I think there are two potential conclusions to be ...I think there are two potential conclusions to be drawn.<br /><br />1) the jays don't think molina has the upside that some do.<br /><br />and/or<br /><br />2) the jays see themselves competing in the next 2 years. otherwise you just keep molina and let him become santos.jerkstorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00766555643273251535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-76082343004315366172011-12-06T13:36:41.411-05:002011-12-06T13:36:41.411-05:00Look! AA is "going for it"! He's m...Look! AA is "going for it"! He's made a big deal for SSPC (Sergio Santos, Proven Closer)!! More deals to come!!<br /><br />Oh wait, look at all the long-term value in Santos' contract. Shit there's six years of value there. Molina's probably a reliever anyway. Oh well.Gil Fisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01177204960812280259noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-744799295747164242011-12-06T13:32:35.816-05:002011-12-06T13:32:35.816-05:00Balanced trade for both teams, meets each teams ne...Balanced trade for both teams, meets each teams needs.<br /><br />Jays gave up their 2nd best prospect – has TONNES of upside. They saw him as a closer, but was probably .5 – 1 season away from the MLB. His upside is probably Santos. Chicago gets a top flight prospect that helps them rebuild their system.<br /><br />Jays get the closer they need, someone they are familiar with (was in their system as a SS prior). Farrell has said he wanted a K-heavy closer and was OK if command was not stunning. Santos is a strong closer, also had a great season in setup duty. Is cost controlled for up to six years. Gives the Jays a closer they need (basically what Molina would be in a year or two) while still cost controlled for 6 years.<br /><br />Great trade for both teams.Jonathan Reimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18389653240919549615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-54869238798396250572011-12-06T13:29:47.127-05:002011-12-06T13:29:47.127-05:00Lol...exactly...everyone wants to trade for guys w...Lol...exactly...everyone wants to trade for guys whether its hockey or baseball or whatever but don't want to give anything up.<br /><br />We don't have a closer, now we do. We still have a half dozen great pitching prospects in the minors with or without molina.<br /><br />And you know what I've never seen molina pitch, i have no idea how good he might be but I do know Santos is pretty good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-33993375204963824372011-12-06T13:22:19.738-05:002011-12-06T13:22:19.738-05:00How can we eternally rebuild if we start giving up...How can we eternally rebuild if we start giving up our prospect for proven talent?Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10275144082031101442011-12-06T13:13:32.608-05:002011-12-06T13:13:32.608-05:00Yep, alot of jays fans freaking out we gave up mol...Yep, alot of jays fans freaking out we gave up molina but you have to give up something to get something. Trading unproven for proven works for me.<br /><br />Santos is still young and hopefully will only get better. I am tired of always hoarding prospects hoping they turn out, time to turn them into someone that can help us now!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com