tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post6917937207610259437..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: SWOT Analysis! The first half in rebuke!Tao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-43093228990709364012010-07-13T11:10:45.519-04:002010-07-13T11:10:45.519-04:00I should note, those numbers are just for those pl...I should note, those numbers are just for those players' time at third base, not any other positions.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-37648354345669023922010-07-13T08:23:20.895-04:002010-07-13T08:23:20.895-04:00Team Scrappy, I know they've moved him off of ...Team Scrappy, I know they've moved him off of third, but I really can't imagine him being any worse than EE at the position. <br /><br />For comparison, Gordon has a career UZR/150 of -2.0, while EE sports a sparkling -12.5, and Jose Bautista has posted a surprisingly bad -10.4 for his career. Gordon is a pretty significant upgrade over either of those guys, and he'd surely also benefit from finally playing in an organization that is, y'know, not retarded.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-11612874459734220892010-07-13T03:47:00.902-04:002010-07-13T03:47:00.902-04:00Poor Brian Tallet. It's not his fault his sub ...Poor Brian Tallet. It's not his fault his sub par skills and hipster-doofus stylez are loved by a certain manager.<br /><br />"Poor", of course, is a relative term here....J. Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12817443104290071156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-19139196842347450072010-07-13T02:04:12.321-04:002010-07-13T02:04:12.321-04:00Ty, if you read Rany's blog of suffering throu...Ty, if you read Rany's blog of suffering through with the Royals, Alex Gordon no longer plays 3rd, period. Not even Butter's magical touch can bring him to MLB level.<br /><br />Would anyone feel too rough with Mike McCoy getting ABs over JMac? I have really enjoyed Gonzales defense, it's Tony-esque.<br /><br />Should AA be trading for need right now, or looking at team's best prospects and saying, yes, we'd like some of that no matter what position they play.<br /><br />I take it Tallet, Brian should be laid off with the appropriate German accent?Team Scrappynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-71498736575672933052010-07-12T18:41:03.171-04:002010-07-12T18:41:03.171-04:00I wouldn't mind seeing what it'd take to g...I wouldn't mind seeing what it'd take to get a certain other Gordon, though... this one's currently OPS-ing 1.024 in AAA, spent most of his professional career playing third base, and is (obviously) wildly undervalued by his current organization.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81006448061193425362010-07-12T16:45:51.859-04:002010-07-12T16:45:51.859-04:00Heche > GordonHeche > GordonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-61252511636880891252010-07-12T16:42:14.907-04:002010-07-12T16:42:14.907-04:00Dee Gordon's got a sub-.700 OPS at Double-A th...Dee Gordon's got a sub-.700 OPS at Double-A this year. Lots of stolen bases, but speed fades.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-50894885141204623602010-07-12T16:00:44.978-04:002010-07-12T16:00:44.978-04:00Okay forget about Montero (who the Jays should at ...Okay forget about Montero (who the Jays should at least inquire about), he was just an example of someone who they should look into. Another is using the rumour that the Jays and Dodgers have spoken, why not see what it takes to get Dee Gordon, someone who could be the Jays SS for a long time.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-87912710903452419502010-07-12T15:34:32.814-04:002010-07-12T15:34:32.814-04:00Depth is great, Montero is the guy who the Yankees...Depth is great, Montero is the guy who the Yankees wanted to trade straight-up for Roy Halladay -- not exactly a depth kind of player. The Jays have plenty of good young pitching to use on the trade market, but why waste it on a guy who plays the same position as the two best position prospects you already have?Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-37915233680701000962010-07-12T15:31:12.624-04:002010-07-12T15:31:12.624-04:00the Jays have no urgent need to deal anyone so hop...the Jays have no urgent need to deal anyone so hopefully this translates to leverage at the deadline. Buck and Overbay don;t have positions next year so they need to leave one way or another. the little bullpen of horrors needs to be blown up so i would deal Downs, Frasor, Camp or Gregg in a heartbeat to the first team that offers something decent.<br /><br />i'm inclined to keep Gonzales only because there is no viable replacement in 2011, and since any team acquiring him will primarily be interested in his defence, he'll be tradable again this time next year irrespective of his offensive numbers.<br /><br />Bautista is tricky. If you get something good then of course you deal him, but there is no plan for next year at 3B and keeping him on the roster gives you that option, and lets the Jays focus their FA energies elsewhere.MJKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16655511182506995468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-29329059517305750862010-07-12T15:22:32.740-04:002010-07-12T15:22:32.740-04:00The Jays have a catcher an a 1st baseman in triple...The Jays have a catcher an a 1st baseman in triple A that are outhitting Montero. But you can never have too much depth, especially if you have a chance at getting one of the top prospect in baseball in Montero, who is what 4 years younger than the 1st base prospect the Jays have, yet playing at the same level.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14467344975446443782010-07-12T15:10:53.927-04:002010-07-12T15:10:53.927-04:00Pardon me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Mon...Pardon me if I'm wrong here, but isn't Montero a catcher who will likely be moved to first base eventually? And don't we currently have a catcher <i>and</i> first baseman in AAA who are out-hitting Montero at this point?Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35399672551450608332010-07-12T15:04:40.708-04:002010-07-12T15:04:40.708-04:00I don't think the Jays have a guy, or combinat...I don't think the Jays have a guy, or combination of guys, that the Yankees would take for Montero. They almost had Halladay and Cliff Lee for him. What needs do they have that could be filled by current Jays that would be more pressing than Montero taking over for Posada?<br /><br />Then again, why do the Yankees care about the farm? The way they spend on free agents, their farm team could just be used as reward for the extended family and season ticket holders: cousin Chet just got dumped by his girlfriend, let's give him a week in AAA to cheer him up!Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-68207662611011569872010-07-12T15:02:56.848-04:002010-07-12T15:02:56.848-04:00I don't understand how you can think that ther...I don't understand how you can think that there will be another point in Hill's career where his value will be higher than it was as a 27 year old second baseman coming off a 36 home run season, gold glove calibre defense and on a reasonable long term contract. <br /><br />Hill will need at least another year to regain that type of value and even if he did, he will be two years older with two years gone from his contract.<br /><br />I'm not suggesting Hill is as bad as he is playing now, just suggesting that he wasn't as good as he played last year, which was obvious to me even before this slump.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14575437910296742072010-07-12T14:55:53.642-04:002010-07-12T14:55:53.642-04:00Three bad month does not a career make, you are ab...Three bad month does not a career make, you are absolutely correct. But neither does one season of 35 home runs and do you honestly think that he will have another season like that even thought nothing in his history before or after suggested it was possible. <br /><br />Hill is definitely better than he has played recently, and if I can say that with certainty, why is that so different than being certain that he will never hit 35 home runs in a season again? I also know that he will never be that young again, and there is definitely value in age.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-29401912615014945502010-07-12T14:49:21.138-04:002010-07-12T14:49:21.138-04:00I don't understand how you can imply with so m...I don't understand how you can imply with so much certainty that you were right about Aaron Hill based on his season so far. Three bad months does not a career make.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35960183921490282082010-07-12T14:42:26.048-04:002010-07-12T14:42:26.048-04:00The problem with that logic is that it relies on a...The problem with that logic is that it relies on another good season, and I think he is more likely to hit 18 home runs next year than have a repeat of this season. Also, if you trade Bautista now, you will be trading a year and a half of his services rather than the half season next year.<br /><br />However I agree with you, that if they can not get value in return for Bautista, they are better off keeping him. I just think that if the Raptors can trade Hedo Turkaglu, the Jays should be able to find value for Bautista.<br /><br />But don't listen to me, I was the one jumping up and down suggesting the Jays should trade Aaron Hill last off season because his value would never be higher.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-25993734582172859642010-07-12T14:33:38.660-04:002010-07-12T14:33:38.660-04:00Peter:
JoBau's value will never be higher? Tr...Peter:<br /><br />JoBau's value will never be higher? Truth is, it's not very high right now. A good year next season proves this isn't a fluke, which means a slightly better prospect.<br /><br />The other guys are what they are.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-4380013400249405472010-07-12T14:32:04.411-04:002010-07-12T14:32:04.411-04:00Peter, I'd be inclined to disagree. Right now ...Peter, I'd be inclined to disagree. Right now Bautista is obviously playing at a higher level than he ever has before, but it seems to me that an entire year of this production would make him more valuable on the market than the half-year he's had so far. Of course there's no guarantee that he'll keep it up, and I know the general assumption is that he won't, but I'm still not ready to buy the idea that his trade value will never be higher. It <i>might</i> not, but then again, it might. <br /><br />And even then, who's to say that the prospect(s) they get in return for him will wind up being worth more than keeping him around for this year and next? There's a ton of uncertainty either way.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-33795938365884371372010-07-12T14:27:44.688-04:002010-07-12T14:27:44.688-04:00Based on nothing but internet reports - which are ...Based on nothing but internet reports - which are <i>always</i> right....right? - it seems teams in contention are more willing than in years past to part with top prospects for in-season acquisitions. They've always been there, but maybe the much-touted 2011 draft pool makes the comp picks that much more valuable....and by extension the player traded for more valuable as well?<br /><br />In short, prospect porn rules.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-85974083642700928192010-07-12T14:18:40.566-04:002010-07-12T14:18:40.566-04:00Tao, SELL HIGH. The Jays would be insane not to t...Tao, SELL HIGH. The Jays would be insane not to try and trade Bautista now, his value will never be higher.<br /><br />The key word it TRY of course.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-73803279424913406232010-07-12T14:16:38.320-04:002010-07-12T14:16:38.320-04:00Maybe this should be posted under your Sell, Sell,...Maybe this should be posted under your Sell, Sell, Sell, blog, however, I think the biggest opportunity in the second half come with potential deals. Yes what we have in the minors is exciting, but isn't the unknown always a little bit more interesting?<br /><br />I would make everyone available in the right deal, for instance, if Texas had offered Justin Smoak for Shawn Marcum, it should be a deal that needs to be considered. Or what about the Yankeees and Jesus Montero? I'd give them a call and ask them which of my players would bring me him in return?<br /><br />Yes Downs, Frasor, AGon, Gregg, Buck, Overbay and Bautista are the obvious guys to try and trade, but I wouldn't limit myself to these guys, sometimes it is better to trade a Marcum before he gets expensive or injured. <br /><br />Also, don't make a deal for the sake of a deal, only trade for talent you think has potential. Everyone else is a dime a dozen.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-8787731674667755362010-07-12T14:14:12.996-04:002010-07-12T14:14:12.996-04:00Frankly, I think I move those three pitchers and B...Frankly, I think I move those three pitchers and Buck, but I hold onto Bautista for at least a year.<br /><br />You've still got one more arb year with JoBau, and if he has another stupid awesome year in 2011, you're cashing in on draft picks if he walks. <br /><br />Plus, Bautista provides them with plenty of roster flexibility, as he can play the outfield, corner infield and possibly even at short or second in a pinch.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14041628036156444692010-07-12T14:08:54.836-04:002010-07-12T14:08:54.836-04:00Today's news that the Jays are shopping all th...Today's news that the Jays are shopping all three of Downs, Frasor, and Gregg kinda looks like an indication that they'll still be sellers this month despite their decent start, which I think is awesome, and says a lot about AA's dedication to his plan (unlike certain <i>other</i> GMs in recent memory who were so quick to use a .500 record at the All-Star Break as an excuse not to cash in on valuable trade chips). It appears that John Buck is one guy who almost certainly needs to be traded as well, if only because his value will likely never be higher and I'm pretty sure Arencibia has hit a home run every game for, like, the past couple of months. <br /><br />That said, what's the consensus on Bautista as trade bait? I'd love to see them hold onto him and use him wherever there's room for him next year (depending on who else gets traded and such), but I can certainly understand why they might also want to cash in on his ridiculously awesome first half. Gonzalez is kind of in the same boat... he probably won't keep up this level of production next season, but at the same time, who else is going to play shortstop next year if it's not him?Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-22433664173823022402010-07-12T14:08:42.367-04:002010-07-12T14:08:42.367-04:00Team Building Excercise? Not tonight, baby.Team Building Excercise? Not tonight, baby.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.com