tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post67511833097053102..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: This Tricky Thing with Thames and TravisTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-41757264684393684252012-04-26T18:16:32.484-04:002012-04-26T18:16:32.484-04:00No offence but if you think Snider is the same def...No offence but if you think Snider is the same defensively as Thames then you're just not paying attention. Snider has a stronger and more accurate arm, and has some solid range compared to most left fielders. Don't forget the Jays threw him in CF for a few games. While that may seem meaningless (and, admittedly, is kind of meaningless), that would never even be considered with Thames. So even the Jays would say Snider is the better defender.<br /><br />We can argue about the bat all you want, but it's pretty damn clear Snider is a significantly better defender than Thames. I don't want to bring up the UZR numbers but they favour Snider as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-16951614493495810342012-04-26T12:14:54.753-04:002012-04-26T12:14:54.753-04:00"If you move Snider to first, what do you do ..."If you move Snider to first, what do you do with Adam Lind?"<br /><br />You obviously did not listen to Mike Wilner's Blue Jays Talk last night when some genius suggested that we can stick Snider at first and move Lind out to LF...Minor Leaguerhttp://bluebirdbanter.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14497714837901054812012-04-25T21:56:09.827-04:002012-04-25T21:56:09.827-04:00Tao your article was honest and insightful. I appl...Tao your article was honest and insightful. I applaud good sir I applaud.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-67922950194831508062012-04-25T15:17:25.629-04:002012-04-25T15:17:25.629-04:00Some thoughts:
- I really don't think the ques...Some thoughts:<br />- I really don't think the question should be Thames or Snider, it most likely should be Thames or trade for a proven outfielder.<br />- It's funny how people view the exact same situations differently, I find Snider every bit as uncomfortable to watch in the outfield as Thames. He just looks awkward and yet it seems the consensus thinks he's a good outfielder?<br />- I do have some hope that Snider can still develop into a good hitter, however I think the most likely scenario will be that he will come back up and play at replacement level.Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-64133829792551967942012-04-25T14:50:59.765-04:002012-04-25T14:50:59.765-04:00Agreed.
1B Encarnacion
DH Thames
LF Snider
team ...Agreed.<br /><br />1B Encarnacion<br />DH Thames<br />LF Snider<br /><br />team is upgraded offensively, defensively, and on the basepaths.<br /><br />Lind is one of only 2 MLBers with a negative WAR rating since 2010 who have managed to hold on to a full time job (figgins is the other), and we stick him in the heart of our lineup every game. It's really, really silly.<br /><br />Since 2010: <br /><br />Encarnacion: 973pa, .794ops, .344woba, 115wRC+, -11.8uzr/150 @ 1B<br />Thames: 443pa, .762ops, .330woba, 106wRC+, -26.5uzr/150 @LF<br />Snider: 521pa, .709ops, .309woba, 90wRC+, +17.1uzr/150 @LF<br />Lind: 1218pa, .719ops, .310woba, 91wRC+, -1.4uzr/150 @1B<br /><br />Jays owe Lind about $13m over the rest of his contract. Might as well just eat it.everdisohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14035415843570862320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81910660560506499402012-04-25T14:49:13.366-04:002012-04-25T14:49:13.366-04:00I'm happy to see this post. I think there is s...I'm happy to see this post. I think there is such a collective fancrush on Travis Snider that no one sees either of them - Snider or Thames - particularly objectively. People really really identify with Mr MeatsDontClash, and feel really pissed off about how his development has been mishandled, and I think that clouds everything. I think it sucks how everyone is gleeful about misplays by Thames, in a way they aren't about other players' issues. It reminds me of the Encarnacion days of yore, and it looks...shitty and immature. Stop comparing Thames with Snider. Just stop. They're different guys battling different demons, and you can feel bad about the treatment of one (Snider) without shitting all over the other one (Thames). I'm not saying that being a fan means being uncritical in your support, but I wish people would realize that they have no objectivity about Thames because they have him in this 1-to-1 match-up with Snider in their heads which is unfair to both players. When Snider comes up and looks like a deer in headlights at the plate, everyone is ready to blame Cito, blame Riccardi, whatever. Thames gets the OPPOSITE of that - this attitude that somehow he just sucks and it's an irredeemable situation of his own making. He's 25 years old - a little more than a year older than Snider. How old was Bautista when he pulled everything together, again?Withnailnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35733763827774600982012-04-25T14:44:13.488-04:002012-04-25T14:44:13.488-04:00When Snider comes back to Toronto, I'd like to...When Snider comes back to Toronto, I'd like to be under the impression that he is the guy in left field, and that it's not subject to change with his performance. That said, I'm not entirely sure that you can properly convince him of that if you're bringing him up because the incumbent guy has struggled in his last 20 games.<br /><br />10 walks to 11 strikeouts and 14 extra base hits in AAA is very encouraging so far, but I'd like to see Snider stay down a bit longer to build his confidence and make sure the adjustments he's made will stick. The team might not openly say it, but this year is about the assets in place progressing, and I don't see how that will be accomplished by once again sending him back and forth to Las Vegas all year.Andrewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-69849786827394938092012-04-25T14:05:59.543-04:002012-04-25T14:05:59.543-04:00Oh boy I hate that 'bump up his numbers' c...Oh boy I hate that 'bump up his numbers' crap. Counting on opposing GM's being suckered in by a hot month is just incredibly foolish. Even if you want to go back to something like the YEscobar deal, remember that Gonzalez was a plus defender at a premium position while Lind is below average at the least important position on the diamond. Not saying it can't/hasn't happened, just that banking on those odds is a bad idea. <br /><br />The easy (and obvious) solution is to bench the bum, swallow the money he's owed and move on with the players who actually have a chance at being part of the longterm future and/or becoming significant assets. Snider to left, Thames to DH, EE fulltime at first. Boom. There isn't a chance in hell that that makes the team worse than it is right now and it's an immediate upgrade defensively. Sorry, there has to be way more money left on a contract than there is on Lind to justify a team continuing to trot out a guy who's proven over the course of 2+ seasons that he simply isn't good enough to play everyday.wamconoreply@blogger.com