tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post6461648406303234696..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: The last days of the Sausage King's reignTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-30015520995213187932011-01-20T14:40:49.799-05:002011-01-20T14:40:49.799-05:00I had the EXACT same thought about Frasor. In fact...I had the EXACT same thought about Frasor. In fact, I wrote a post about it as well... Great minds?The 5th Starterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00861020444773232925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-6037536020584725372011-01-19T22:14:33.808-05:002011-01-19T22:14:33.808-05:00I think you bring up an interesting point, but I f...I think you bring up an interesting point, but I feel the only reason that they didn't meet on numbers wasn't because of the dollars, but because of the years. Frasor is probably looking for 2 or 3 years. They Jays probably offered him 1 year, and he turned it down. <br /><br />I would expect that they try and negotiate a multi-year deal rather than settle arbitration. It will work out for both sides, as after this season Frasor will probably be a type A again (it averages 3 years) so they would back to be back to square one, Jays wanting the pick, and no team wanting to give one up for a reliever.Nicholashttp://www.wix.com/nicholasderosa/homepagenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-25651989760991452682011-01-19T22:01:52.919-05:002011-01-19T22:01:52.919-05:00So this is what it is to be a Jays blogger. Are yo...So this is what it is to be a Jays blogger. Are you sure you don't want to bring the Friday Rock Out back?Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-70373044937500716692011-01-19T21:09:55.280-05:002011-01-19T21:09:55.280-05:00Fuck off StotenFuck off StotenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-29024694805701494642011-01-19T15:17:52.139-05:002011-01-19T15:17:52.139-05:00I think a big part of where the Jays are going her...I think a big part of where the Jays are going here is making use of the arbitration process rather than fearing it. It's there to be used, and you don't need to be afraid of it.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-58729235765606502852011-01-19T14:59:32.109-05:002011-01-19T14:59:32.109-05:00Interesting spin Tao. I definitely see your reaso...Interesting spin Tao. I definitely see your reasoning. I'm actually going to add to it.<br /><br />Do you feel that the Anthopoulos self imposed deadline could be a tactic by Alex to let other teams know what Frasor wants contract wise? So it's not a guessing game before hand?<br /><br />Wouldn't it be safe to say that now teams can look at it and offer a prospect knowing very well that they can have Frasor's services for 2011 for 3.75 million, now that the reliever pool has dried out and teams are still looking for arms? Does this make Frasor the most sought after reliever on the market? <br /><br />AA's game seems to be to use relievers as stop gaps until we have a bunch of David Purcey types, while turning the stop gaps into draft picks and holding together a decent bullpen. <br /><br />This could be verified next year, if say, Shawn Camp were to accept arbitration as a type A FA and then the small difference would again be shown, opening the door for other teams to discuss a trade with the Blue Jays.<br /><br />AA's goal doesn't seem to be to hold onto type A or B FA relievers, but to somehow either get picks or prospects from them.<br /><br />It's not that Frasor isn't effective, it's more of can we get increased value for him in the form of prospects and draft picks. <br /><br />I definitely think you're right on this one and this is Alex forcing other teams to come after Frasor. He's basically showing his hand and asking other players if they're willing to trade for one of his cards.<br /><br />If this is the case, I love it. What a shrewd friggin' move!GCM1979https://www.blogger.com/profile/07096628308934409139noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-60152643027175881182011-01-19T13:34:41.099-05:002011-01-19T13:34:41.099-05:00@Noisy Flowers:
You are absolutely right that the...@Noisy Flowers:<br /><br />You are absolutely right that the Jays should look to move him. As an asset, I'm not sure what he brings, but yeah, they shouldn't just walk away.<br /><br />I just don't think that they have any use for him any more.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-48777600342044310152011-01-19T13:33:27.572-05:002011-01-19T13:33:27.572-05:00Nice catch Peter. I thought that Dotel was $3.5, b...Nice catch Peter. I thought that Dotel was $3.5, but I didn't double check it. Bad on me.<br /><br />The point here is not necessarily that I think that the Jays are going to walk away from the arb decision (and to be honest, I'm not even sure if they can).<br /><br />I just think that everything points to the fact that they are done with Frasor, and that they don't necessarily want to go through 60 innings and $3 Million and more in salary to get that draft pick.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-48383589050868610742011-01-19T12:43:18.141-05:002011-01-19T12:43:18.141-05:00Tao, I think you're on to something here. I ca...Tao, I think you're on to something here. I can't see why the Jays wouldn't want to just settle for an extra $500,000k unless they had plans to ship Frasor off before Opening Day. Is it really worth going over to arbitration over that little of a difference?Ian Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074587524873409802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-23563983185436662922011-01-19T12:22:04.890-05:002011-01-19T12:22:04.890-05:00Dotel will make $3 million this season, so whether...Dotel will make <a href="http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110104&content_id=16389106&vkey=news_tor&c_id=tor" rel="nofollow">$3 million</a> this season, so whether or not he makes more money than Frasor depends on how you look at it:<br /><br />1. Dotel's salary is less than Frasor based on what he will make in 2011 ($3 million or $2.75 million depending on your source)<br />2. Dotel's salary is exactly the same as what the Blue Jays offered Frasor if you look at the average salary over the two years if the Jays pick up his option ($3.25)<br />3. Dotel's salary for 2011 is more than Frasor if you factor in his buyout of $500,000 or $750,000 depending on who you believe (for a total of $3.5 million)Peter DeMarcohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13025682416268680287noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-79733781806673210002011-01-19T11:54:24.694-05:002011-01-19T11:54:24.694-05:00Frasor is the new Accardo. Offering Frasor less mo...Frasor is the new Accardo. Offering Frasor less money but not significantly less money than Dotel and Rauch seems like a move calculated to insult him. Clearly the Jays want Frasor (and possibly other players as well) to know that they don't appreciate losing out on draft picks. This is the ugly underside of "The Plan". <br /><br />I'd rather Frasor be traded to another team than buried on the depth chart but even that is better than releasing him for nothing. I mean whatever you get for Frasor might not be as good as draft picks but at at least it's something. Releasing him for nothing would just be counter-productive pettiness.NoisyFlowershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12399457552855001292noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-62866644794350351552011-01-19T11:48:19.344-05:002011-01-19T11:48:19.344-05:00On the flip side of that argument, if they're ...On the flip side of that argument, if they're okay paying more than that for Dotel and Rauch then I'm sure they're okay with paying that much for Frasor, who can reasonably be expected to give them pretty much the exact same value as those other two guys.Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.com