tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post59065110334898976..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: The Enemies List grows: Mike MussinaTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-41255974771853928492008-12-22T04:58:00.000-05:002008-12-22T04:58:00.000-05:00I live in Williamsport, know the Mussina family, a...I live in Williamsport, know the Mussina family, and have eaten at the same table as Mike one a couple occasions. He is NOT that good. He will not make the HOF and doesn't deserve it. If he wanted the HOF he shouldn't have retired. He did so because of several factors, stated and unstated. Interesting that since he's retired, nothing willlikely be done about his usage of performance enhancers. His numbers do not warrant HOF status. <BR/><BR/>Should Mike Mussina be in the HOF?<BR/><BR/>Not at all. <BR/><BR/>0 Cy Youngs <BR/>0 perfect games <BR/>0 no-hitters <BR/>0 World Series Titles <BR/>0 MVPs<BR/><BR/>Nothing. <BR/><BR/>He played 18 years, 10 with Baltimore and 8 with New York. Ironically, the New York Yankees started out as the Baltimore Orioles. <BR/><BR/>During his time with the Birds: <BR/><BR/>Five-time all-star <BR/>(on a team that was an o.k. team except for ‘91 and 2000, the first and last years he was with them) <BR/>MVP voting twice <BR/>Cy Young voting 7 of 10 years <BR/>Lowest Team ERA 8 of 10 years <BR/>Average an 18% share of his team’s wins<BR/><BR/>During his time with the Yanks: <BR/><BR/>Never made the all-stars <BR/>MVP and Cy young voting only one year (2008) <BR/>Lowest Team ERA 4 of 8 years <BR/>Only one year had 18% share of his team’s wins (in 2008)<BR/><BR/>The biggest thing I noticed was the fact that his completed games dropped off significantly during his time with the Yankees as did quality starts, but his innings per year didn’t. He started more games, but won less. He won more than 50% of the games he started in Baltimore, but less than 50% in New York. Even with a better team, better pitching staff, and a much better General Manager, Mussina did not fair as well as he did with the Orioles. <BR/><BR/>Mussina averaged a win less per year with the Orioles, but almost a 3% share of wins more. The Yanks averaged 32 games above .500 when Moose played with them, but when he played with the Orioles, they averaged 3 games above .500. When you look at his post-season numbers, it’s more clear why Mussina is not a Hall of Famer. He can’t win when it counts, the post-season. He’s two games over .500 in the post season and faired the same no matter which team he played for.<BR/><BR/>He played in an era where 250 wins weren’t as important a milestone as 300 wins were. He played in an era where performance enhancers ran rampant. I have been saying for a long while that players need to prove they were clean since most are hiding behind the MLBPA and not speaking up about what went on. Especially when you play on teams that had so many PROVEN users, it’s not hard to speculate that Mussina could have pitched 200 innings per year due to a little “boost.”<BR/><BR/>When Mussina left the Orioles they sucked bad, but before that they were a decent team. He never had Ace numbers and had an excellent closing staff at New York. This one, to me, is a no brainer, no HOF for Moose.<BR/><BR/>Go Blue Jays! Yankees Suck! Red Sox Fans are Posers!.-∙° Nick °∙-.https://www.blogger.com/profile/04302947340619286025noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-91142318631761139752008-04-04T07:48:00.000-04:002008-04-04T07:48:00.000-04:00At this point, a ring entrance alone would leave m...At this point, a ring entrance alone would leave me gasping for breath and in danger of puking, so I don't think we're talking Serra vs Hughes here. <BR/><BR/>Tao won't get that reference though.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-45300324975122831472008-04-03T23:04:00.000-04:002008-04-03T23:04:00.000-04:00nah, we're square.plus, I'm more eckstein than tho...nah, we're square.<BR/><BR/>plus, I'm more eckstein than thomas, so I'd much prefer running my mouth over the interweb.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-47551891118088157802008-04-03T10:20:00.000-04:002008-04-03T10:20:00.000-04:00At this point, we'd pay good money to see the Ack ...At this point, we'd pay good money to see the Ack and Priest go at it in the octagon.<BR/><BR/>And we hate mixed martial arts.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-37212457761889268692008-04-03T02:39:00.000-04:002008-04-03T02:39:00.000-04:00"Yes, Derek Jeter included."Are you kidding me? J..."Yes, Derek Jeter included."<BR/><BR/>Are you kidding me? Jeter is the douchebag par excellence. His douchebagginess is so profound it could only exist in a Yankees uniform.gabrielhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14807352308804721979noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-78935469680891202542008-04-02T23:51:00.000-04:002008-04-02T23:51:00.000-04:00In the interest of full disclosure, the removed po...In the interest of full disclosure, the removed post was me. I didn't change the content, just corrected some typos.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35783064982207476622008-04-02T23:39:00.000-04:002008-04-02T23:39:00.000-04:00Alright, alright...it appears I have dialed up my ...Alright, alright...it appears I have dialed up my own douchebag factor a bit too high, but the Ack kinda makes my point...Mussina? He's been low-end for a few years now. Think the Yanks wish they could "Hold back the years" on that contract Mick Hucknall style? Yeah, probably.<BR/><BR/>Always freaks me out when a professional athlete is a bigger dork than me. (In my estimation, anyways. Leaving aside the fact that I would literally cut of a finger for one year of Moose's salary.)Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-22873794859715788422008-04-02T23:38:00.000-04:002008-04-02T23:38:00.000-04:00gotta respect a guy who admits to overzealous douc...gotta respect a guy who admits to overzealous douchebag dial cranking. me, I just leave 'er around a 7 or 8 at all times. you know, to be consistent.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-53125551944399682592008-04-02T23:36:00.000-04:002008-04-02T23:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-86479229897293458252008-04-02T22:27:00.000-04:002008-04-02T22:27:00.000-04:00re: Mussina.....now we're talkin. Now we are fuck...re: Mussina.....now we're talkin. Now we are fucking talking!<BR/><BR/>gotta say, it was pretty sad watching him toss tonight. Dude isn't a big league arm anymore. 15losses if he stays in the rotation all season, which he won't.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14660880578534845892008-04-02T22:25:00.000-04:002008-04-02T22:25:00.000-04:00^^ for real?Hey Tao, I have a big bag of Fucks you...^^ for real?<BR/><BR/>Hey Tao, I have a big bag of Fucks you can lend this cat to Off.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77814481799980504862008-04-02T17:28:00.000-04:002008-04-02T17:28:00.000-04:00Toth is such a tool. We like how he's constantly p...Toth is such a tool. We like how he's constantly playing the morally indignant "As new father" card.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, like procreating has afforded him such incredible insight...<BR/><BR/>Mike Toth procreating. Damn it all, we've just spun back into a PTS-induced depression.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-17796046273399384832008-04-02T17:20:00.000-04:002008-04-02T17:20:00.000-04:00Mike Toth is on Prime Time saying that people are ...Mike Toth is on Prime Time saying that people are up in arms over the Roy fight, but are willing to laugh about Osama Bin Laden. <BR/><BR/>Let's just say I have some issues with Mikes today.Joannahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01046759279815077216noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-21308132632863959052008-04-02T17:02:00.000-04:002008-04-02T17:02:00.000-04:00+1000 points for the Bodymore Murdaland reference....+1000 points for the Bodymore Murdaland reference.Archihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02151272110728462869noreply@blogger.com