tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post5607059037549936942..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: It's a shame about VernTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-1456029997538321842011-01-24T10:44:38.637-05:002011-01-24T10:44:38.637-05:00Wells was a good player, a great guy and anyone th...Wells was a good player, a great guy and anyone that says they wont miss him is a fool for thinking that freeing up that money will be invested BACK into salary...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-63312555810966296532011-01-23T19:33:45.743-05:002011-01-23T19:33:45.743-05:00Who cares if it's a salary dump...it's sti...Who cares if it's a salary dump...it's still salary that NEEDED to be dumped. Whether your AA, Beeston, or Ted's ghost, if an investment isn't paying off, and you can can move it at no loss, you move it. <br />Easy to be critical of a 'salary dump' when it isn't your millions.<br />Great deal! Best of luck VWAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-87930578581300205302011-01-23T18:09:09.447-05:002011-01-23T18:09:09.447-05:00I think the negative perception that still exists,...I think the negative perception that still exists, surrounding ownership's stated willingness to spend, comes from the Millar/Mench/Dellucci/Wilkerson incident(s). We were a DH away from doing real damage, and the money wasn't there, forcing J.P. to go through those retreads. Additionally, it was pretty tough to hear that the money 'would be there' when no additions were made to the team that was in first place after two months in 2009. <br /><br />However, aside from those two things, we've seen international scouting and signing beefed up and blowing past slot to get guys like Thon (love that deal so much, even if Thon never plays, I like what it stands for). That's huge. There was another negative blip when Marcum was traded before a possible extension was reached, but after learning more about Lawrie I am OK with the deal. (And the first jersey I ever bought was Marcum's.) The six million sent over to Philadelphia was also a nice sign, even though those skeezy cock jonglers ultimately had plenty of available cash to sign Lee. <br /><br />There <i>is</i> a budget, regardless of what ownership has instructed Anthopolous to say. VW's future salary figured into it mightily. As fans, we can either let that particular lie go, because it is so egregious, and root for wisdom behind the slow building of a $80 - $100 mill team with the core we have now properly extended into their big boy contracts, or we can use that as a point of contention to go berserk. For me, I am willing to let the lie of "no budget" go for now. There is no present <i>need</i> to increase the salary. Especially since, aside from Adam Dunn, there weren't any free agent deals I wished the Jays had been a part of this off-season.Ice Cream Jonseyhttp://www.caltrops.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-79478714415104932722011-01-23T14:50:33.675-05:002011-01-23T14:50:33.675-05:00No more than 3 years plus a 1 year club option on ...No more than 3 years plus a 1 year club option on Bautista at say $8 mil/$10 mil/$12 mil/option: $14 mil with say a $3 mil buyout. Just spitballing. I can't believe people are still questioning whether Rogers will spend or not. The many long term extensions since they took over and some big free agent signings plus all the spending on the amateur side of things and in the front office, scouting department, and the farm system say otherwise. <br /><br />There will always be pessimists and I suppose pessimism is quite understandable in the wake of the Ash and Ricciardi regimes, but AA does not make stupid trades (like Ash) and he tends to keep things on the down low (unlike Ricciardi). It's a process, not a quick fix people. Well, unless you really want a version of "The Burke Solution" to be incorporated into our favourite baseball team. Ugh. No thanks.Tom Jacksonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-27368528194221373952011-01-23T09:29:07.183-05:002011-01-23T09:29:07.183-05:00Agree with Dave.
I am a little worried about Ro...Agree with Dave. <br /><br />I am a little worried about Rogers just pocketing the money they save on Wells's contract. However, the Hechevarria deal and the money spent on undrafted free agents, last year's draft, etc., is somewhat reassuring.<br /><br />I'd like to think that the team is going young, cheap, and high-ceiling over the next year or two. Spending money when the player is truly worth it. And when they're within shouting distance of 95 wins, THEN they open the wallet for some rent-a-player type of deals.<br /><br />Perhaps more importantly: If, in 3-5 years, the Jays have been to the playoffs a couple of times and have a core of young veterans, they'd better be willing to spend to keep the key players. A Marlins-style fire sale would make me very cynical about what Anthopoulos has said about money.Robertohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13300900355234003897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-76543195378273110632011-01-23T02:50:46.875-05:002011-01-23T02:50:46.875-05:00Rogers might be made of money, but that doesn'...Rogers might be made of money, but that doesn't mean they don't still want to spend it wisely.<br /><br />$23 million on several assets instead of one declining centrefielder sounds like good money sense to me.DaveChttp://davechurch.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-30928763633612706152011-01-22T21:00:51.484-05:002011-01-22T21:00:51.484-05:00Part of the problem with Vernon's contract was...Part of the problem with Vernon's contract was that it forced him into situations that didn't benefit the team: deteriorating defence? He's the highest paid player on the team, we can't move him from centre; struggling with the bat? He's making $23 mill, he's got to hit in the middle of the order.<br /><br />He isn't a bad player by any definition, but he shouldn't be the highest paid player on any team.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-44082086284625866522011-01-22T19:28:13.301-05:002011-01-22T19:28:13.301-05:00JET!JET!Paul McCartneynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-8493820328032562362011-01-22T13:55:41.365-05:002011-01-22T13:55:41.365-05:00Straight from Wilner's blog, Miked Up...
&quo...Straight from Wilner's blog, Miked Up...<br /><br />"Some fans will celebrate the Jays getting out from under the rest of the contract, but if you buy the company line that “the money will be there when it’s needed”, then it really wouldn’t have mattered how much he was making."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-47402566595443062992011-01-22T12:45:26.202-05:002011-01-22T12:45:26.202-05:00Hurley and PJaysW, Gush we will and gush we should...Hurley and PJaysW, Gush we will and gush we should. AA's ability to unload one of the worst contracts in baseball history should be lauded and not met with pessimism. Roger's financial commitment shouldn't even enter into the equation at this point. You have to remember that you not only free up the money with this deal but you also free up a ML roster spot. A roster spot that would be held for 4 years by a player on the wrong side of 30 and likely on the decline. A roster spot that can potentially be filled with a better player with his best years still ahead of him. Why do I have the feeling that you guys are just sour over a bad cell contract. You know you can haggle those down right?<br /><br />And I wouldn't say the jays (and their fans) currently reside in a glass house more like mud brick... inexpensive and efficient.prankmunkynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-13575760489363831142011-01-22T12:41:42.830-05:002011-01-22T12:41:42.830-05:00Hurley summed up my thoughts exactly.
For a team w...Hurley summed up my thoughts exactly.<br />For a team who REPEATEDLY claims they are operating without a budget and REPEATEDLY claimed that VW's contract wasn't affecting their ability to make moves or acquire free agents, this move makes all of that look like bullshit.<br />I understand the added flexibility is gravy, but put the money where their mouths are and don't tell me THE CONTRACT is not a hindrance to their ability to spend, because they're llying.<br />This move confirms it. Now there are a bunch of 1B/LF/DH/C types on this roster, and two new ayers you could live without but had to take to... Wait for it... DUMP SALARY.<br /><br />... And I'm still positive about the direction, just not sure this move helps when they could have done all they wanted WITH Vern.<br /><br />I'm a Red Wings fan.PJaysWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-2407918316101423382011-01-22T12:20:36.823-05:002011-01-22T12:20:36.823-05:00I think the best comment I've heard was a twee...I think the best comment I've heard was a tweet about the deal that went something like this:<br /><br />This deal would be vetoed in every fantasy league.<br /><br />AA continues to amaze me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-90319351988783770822011-01-22T11:14:32.179-05:002011-01-22T11:14:32.179-05:00See Tao, the thing that gets me is that Rogers cou...See Tao, the thing that gets me is that Rogers could have done all those things that you just mentioned (sign JBau long term, make a run at high end free agents, lock up current players) even with Vernon's contract on the books. Nobody's being pessimistic just realistic. Mike in Boston is right, they have yet to commit to any significant signings at the Major League level and until they do that, I believe it is disingenuous to call people dumb fucks and Leaf fans (by the way there are a lot of those so maybe the stone throwing in glass houses analogy could apply).<br /><br />I remember all to vividly Rogers assertions a few years back that the money saved with Burnett opting out of his contract was going to be reinvested in the annual budget and we all know how that turned out so lets just wait and see.<br /><br />Nobody is suggesting that this is a bad transaction, but to gush all over it like a 12 year old at a Justin Bieber concert may be a little silly, no?Hurleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-42253034126089394092011-01-22T11:13:06.760-05:002011-01-22T11:13:06.760-05:00Pujols!!!1Pujols!!!1Tyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11878921441543129555noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10400940192582186022011-01-22T10:51:52.839-05:002011-01-22T10:51:52.839-05:00THIS IS NOT A SALARY DUMP! WAKE THE FUCK UP!
The ...THIS IS NOT A SALARY DUMP! WAKE THE FUCK UP!<br /><br />The Jays sent Wells and the $86 million on his contract - without having to pay any part of it - and got two every day MLB players.<br /><br />If you can see the down side of that, then you're being way too pessimistic.<br /><br />This clears salary for the Jays to sign José Bautista, or make a run at any number of free agents, or make sure that they lock up their own guys to long term deals.<br /><br />When I'm so giddy that my nipples are cutting through my shirts, I can't conceive of how someone can find the downside of this deal.<br /><br />Y'all are Leafs fans, aren't you.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-53937356920551484202011-01-22T10:15:03.882-05:002011-01-22T10:15:03.882-05:00I can see how the pessimistic may say this was jus...I can see how the pessimistic may say this was just a salary dump. Worst case scenario it was. But the way I see it is we get back Napoli who gives us the flexibility to work in both Lind at 1B and Arencibia behind the plate. The competition should also ensure that Arencibia stays focused on getting his pitchers ready for game day.<br />Rivera was a throw in that we had to take and we have him for this season as a 4th OF. Worst case he is our everyday RF and Bautista is at 3B<br />We also have to keep in mind that when Davis was in CF for the a's in 08/09 he put up his best defensive statistics.<br />I'll miss Wells the person and leader of the team. I won't miss Wells batting cleanup.I hope this means they have signed Chavez!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-16459684817975326742011-01-22T10:04:57.613-05:002011-01-22T10:04:57.613-05:00I'm with Mike in Beantown, they sure shed a lo...I'm with Mike in Beantown, they sure shed a lot of salary...and better CF production than they were going to find any time soon, despite his below avg defense.<br />I'm sad to see Vernon go, I'm going to go hangout by his house in Lorne Park (Mississauga) for the next mo th to make sure he knows he was loved and will be missed.PJaysWnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-19327760529323909052011-01-22T09:38:32.998-05:002011-01-22T09:38:32.998-05:00How in the hell did the Blue Jays manage to erase ...How in the hell did the Blue Jays manage to erase both the Alex Rios and Vernon Wells contracts? AA is truly the Silent Assassin - give him the GM of the year award right now.Ian Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074587524873409802noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-44402578153322489102011-01-22T08:24:24.431-05:002011-01-22T08:24:24.431-05:00amid all the excitement related to Rajai Davis and...amid all the excitement related to Rajai Davis and his .713 career OPS being the CF for the next 2 years it is worth remembering that this is another major move to shed ML salary combined with <br /><br />1) another off-season where the team has decided not to spend on significant free agents, and <br />2) recent moves to trade ML talent for prospects<br /><br />the team has not yet made moves at the ML level to back up their assertions that "when the time is right" they will commit significant dollars to the payroll. this move provides financial and positional flexibility, but that is just one half of the equation. let's hope Rogers comes through with the rest.MJKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16655511182506995468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-3003729004632925552011-01-22T08:22:42.508-05:002011-01-22T08:22:42.508-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.MJKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16655511182506995468noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-20477164917051550182011-01-22T06:53:08.884-05:002011-01-22T06:53:08.884-05:00The deal gives the Blue Jays a lot more flexibilit...The deal gives the Blue Jays a lot more flexibility and that's a very good thing. It's too bad that Wells got so much abuse. He didn't give himself the money. But he's the Angels' albatross now. The Blue Jays are free of it and can move forward. Great move for your home team.William J. Taskerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02313204947130235560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-19995139050367673432011-01-22T01:42:08.417-05:002011-01-22T01:42:08.417-05:00That's no longer our Vernon.
Great post, Acke...That's no longer our Vernon.<br /><br />Great post, Acker. What a fucking few hours. I still need time to digest the magnitude of the move.Navin Vaswanihttp://www.sportsandthecity.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-55003875708681304772011-01-22T01:30:48.786-05:002011-01-22T01:30:48.786-05:00Handsome writing Ack. But my proficiency in tradin...Handsome writing Ack. But my proficiency in trading assets is unparalleled. <br /><br />I trust you trust me?Tony Vinernoreply@blogger.com