tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post526371315301038823..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Who says the Blue Jays don't have a Price?Tao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-23150524785223503122009-01-22T15:23:00.000-05:002009-01-22T15:23:00.000-05:00Anonymous, how do you account for guys like Greg M...<I>Anonymous, how do you account for guys like Greg Maddux, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, and countless other "old time" pitchers who threw way too many pitches and innings and should be armless by now?</I><BR/><BR/>idk i am not familiar with their minor league stats and the innings increases they saw from 18-25 when they were going through the minors.<BR/><BR/>of course i am familiar with the relevant research (i did not pull the 25-35 number out my ass), as well i am familiar with no just the handling of Marcum ("what you are fatigued? GET BACK OUT THERE SISSY") but also the idiotic handling of McGowan ("torn rotator cuff? KEEP PITCHING")<BR/><BR/>otoh if cecil turns out to be maddux that would be pfuckin awesomeAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-22778792043900890482009-01-22T13:35:00.000-05:002009-01-22T13:35:00.000-05:00correction, Price was #2....correction, Price was #2....The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-4266077347619506472009-01-22T12:23:00.000-05:002009-01-22T12:23:00.000-05:00Some redemption - Keith Law was kind in his Top 10...Some redemption - Keith Law was kind in his Top 100 prospects list released today - Cecil checks in at #43 and is billed as a potential #2 if his arm holds up.<BR/><BR/>Price was #1, but I'm good with that.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-22525872526654628182009-01-22T00:53:00.000-05:002009-01-22T00:53:00.000-05:00I think the answer is that minor league stats are ...I think the answer is that minor league stats are a good guide, but you have to read between the lines more than you do for a finished, polished major league pitcher. <BR/><BR/>E.g: if you've got nothing but a good high fastball, you can get away for years with just pumping it past hitters up in the zone in the lower levels. Big league hitters will just let it go and if that's all you've got, you're screwed.<BR/><BR/>In Cecil's case, it was said when he was drafted that he had pretty much a major league ready slider. That is going to completely destroy A/AA guys who have never seen anything like it before, but when he gets to the bigs he'd better have a deeper repertoire or something else to rely on or else it's going to be just another MLB slider with nothing to back it up.<BR/><BR/>Despite similar numbers so far, Price is a much more complete pitcher at this point which is why scouts and not just fans are going ape over him.<BR/><BR/>One more sketchy example is the Chip Cannons of the world, who can only hit mistake fastballs. Looks amazing in A ball and the winter leagues, but any talent evaluator worth his salt knows that it's not going to translate in the same way as more well-rounded hitters with similar numbers as he moves up.halejonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08705691174123402548noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-49403523110900002262009-01-21T12:06:00.000-05:002009-01-21T12:06:00.000-05:00Anonymous, how do you account for guys like Greg M...Anonymous, how do you account for guys like Greg Maddux, Nolan Ryan, Roger Clemens, and countless other "old time" pitchers who threw way too many pitches and innings and should be armless by now?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81739410103441762862009-01-21T10:39:00.000-05:002009-01-21T10:39:00.000-05:005 years is an eternity. What is it in Cecil's mech...<I>5 years is an eternity. What is it in Cecil's mechanics that makes you think he's an injury risk?</I><BR/><BR/>if you want to preserve a young pitcher's arm you want an inning increase of no more than 25-35 innings per year. last year he saw an innings increase of almost 70. <BR/><BR/>idk who the jays training staff are but they really blow at handling young pitchersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10757707992311500182009-01-21T10:16:00.000-05:002009-01-21T10:16:00.000-05:00cheers. I'm just looking for something beyond our...cheers. <BR/><BR/>I'm just looking for something beyond our collective Blue Jay doom and gloom.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-8988624627974232042009-01-21T10:13:00.000-05:002009-01-21T10:13:00.000-05:00Point taken. I agree you probably have something i...Point taken. I agree you probably have something in Cecil. Price was the #1 overall pick - thus, he's going to generate hype. It goes with the territory, whether it's warranted or not. I didn't check Price's stats - I guess they are as unimpressive as Cecil's AAA stats. And I didn't mean to imply that Price was now a "big game" pitcher because of what he did in the '08 playoffs. Pitched well though.<BR/><BR/>As far as Samrdidiadfajzadfasdja, he gets lots of pub 'cause he played Irish football...I think it's stupid - big deal. Pretty silly reason if you ask me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-59426770970893150382009-01-21T09:49:00.000-05:002009-01-21T09:49:00.000-05:00Price did look great in the playoffs, though a lit...Price did look great in the playoffs, though a little wild, but how did his AAA numbers look? I'd hardly call a few playoff games enough of a sample size to anoint him a big-time, big-game pitcher......yet.<BR/><BR/>I've no doubt Price will be a star....but the point of the post was, hey - maybe we have something here in Cecil.<BR/><BR/>Why hype Cecil? Why hype Jeff Samrdzidjzdjadja? He gets way more pub than a guy like Cecil does (for example).<BR/><BR/>....and the Price hype started way before the playoff appearance. He's been touted as the next big thing since before his first professional appearance.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-50941398180262194752009-01-21T08:38:00.000-05:002009-01-21T08:38:00.000-05:00"So humor me this: why is it that Tampa fans,..."So humor me this: why is it that Tampa fans, and the baseball world in general, are sprouting a massive crop of boners for Prospect A (David Price), while Prospect B (Brett Cecil) receives middling "he looks like he can be a nice little player" buzz?"<BR/><BR/>Cecil might be a solid MLB pitcher down the road, I have no idea, but why would anyone outside of the Big Smoke be "hyping" this guy? I'll admit I've never seen him pitch, but from looking at his stats, Cecil accumulated most of his numbers at A & AA. Looks like he didn't fare so well in AAA.<BR/>David Price, in very very limited action albeit, has shown he can be a solid pitcher in the big leagues (in big games). Simple as that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-46628718767640249732009-01-20T17:06:00.000-05:002009-01-20T17:06:00.000-05:00Comparing Cecil's stats to Price's isn't hyberbole...Comparing Cecil's stats to Price's isn't hyberbole, and if dominating minor league hitters was so easy that Cecil could do it, then why didn't Price bother?Torgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254724427156121537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-16538452108103727522009-01-19T16:41:00.000-05:002009-01-19T16:41:00.000-05:00Comparing Cecil to Price might be hyperboleComparing Cecil to Price might be hyperboleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-13133685414212958852009-01-19T15:41:00.000-05:002009-01-19T15:41:00.000-05:005 years is an eternity. What is it in Cecil's mech...5 years is an eternity. What is it in Cecil's mechanics that makes you think he's an injury risk?Torgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254724427156121537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-50526199999362796112009-01-19T11:47:00.000-05:002009-01-19T11:47:00.000-05:00Hyperbole yes but does anyone really doubt that Ce...Hyperbole yes but does anyone really doubt that Cecil is going to need Tommy John within 5 years?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-43984740538238032032009-01-19T00:07:00.000-05:002009-01-19T00:07:00.000-05:00If there's one thing that you can count on from an...<I>If there's one thing that you can count on from an anonymous commenter, it's hyperbole.</I><BR/><BR/>idk, have you seen Marcum's arm recently?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-35319650649043805692009-01-18T22:43:00.000-05:002009-01-18T22:43:00.000-05:00They needed Johnny Mac out there to catch all the ...They needed Johnny Mac out there to catch all the pieces ?!?!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14883328880192166082009-01-18T21:14:00.000-05:002009-01-18T21:14:00.000-05:00indeed.indeed.Andy Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00629588026627817370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-60737405188694924882009-01-18T20:10:00.000-05:002009-01-18T20:10:00.000-05:00If there's one thing that you can count on from an...If there's one thing that you can count on from an anonymous commenter, it's hyperbole.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-78931877497318813982009-01-18T16:37:00.000-05:002009-01-18T16:37:00.000-05:00There's also the fact that Cecil is seeing a huge ...There's also the fact that Cecil is seeing a huge increase in innings since being a cloesr in college, so like Marcum his pitching arm is probably going to shatter into a million different pieces.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-83539044062106346832009-01-18T13:15:00.000-05:002009-01-18T13:15:00.000-05:00*Litsch, oops.*Litsch, oops.Andy Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00629588026627817370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-11993918082693894802009-01-18T13:14:00.000-05:002009-01-18T13:14:00.000-05:00Just another example of our deep pitching. I think...Just another example of our deep pitching. I think this is why Wilner keeps mentioning 2010:<BR/><BR/>Halladay<BR/>Marcum<BR/>McGowan<BR/>Cecil<BR/>Litch<BR/><BR/>PurceyAndy Mchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00629588026627817370noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84556691342405825992009-01-17T18:12:00.000-05:002009-01-17T18:12:00.000-05:00It's the story. People have been looking at the Ra...It's the story. People have been looking at the Rays' prospect lists for forever because they have so many high draft picks. The American media will only look at the Jays or prospects when they grudgingly have to because something happened.<BR/>-brent in KoreaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-70480278014460567742009-01-17T16:31:00.000-05:002009-01-17T16:31:00.000-05:00God bless you tao for trying to cheer us up in thi...God bless you tao for trying to cheer us up in this jeer worthy winter.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-32986218739050961762009-01-17T16:20:00.000-05:002009-01-17T16:20:00.000-05:00Have u guys heard anything lately of movin Downs 2...Have u guys heard anything lately of movin Downs 2 the rotation?<BR/><BR/>-NealAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-22491630470734847372009-01-17T16:02:00.000-05:002009-01-17T16:02:00.000-05:00I think that since Price saved game 7 of the ALCS,...I think that since Price saved game 7 of the ALCS, a lot of people took notice. Since he pitched in front of the entire baseball world, he received a lot of attention. But you're right, compared to Cecil they're pretty much the same!Ian Hunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01074587524873409802noreply@blogger.com