tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post4558421990827267065..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: The Yunel Escobar Eye Black Thing...and Why It MattersTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-40519986719173945222012-09-22T11:15:25.534-04:002012-09-22T11:15:25.534-04:00One more thing, not directly related to this incid...One more thing, not directly related to this incident: you write "And when it comes to Yunel Escobar, how many Blue Jays fans took the consternation shown towards him in Atlanta as some symbol of what a bunch of backwoods, uncivilized yahoos the fans, broadcasters and members of the Braves were?" In a similar vein, as we have seen this season, the Cardinals may have been right in letting Colby Rasmus go. Of course, the jury is still out, but we have to be careful about quickly anointing all of AA's moves as steals.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-52057299130230567462012-09-21T09:52:23.306-04:002012-09-21T09:52:23.306-04:00It was an incredibly dumb move by a pretty margina...It was an incredibly dumb move by a pretty marginal player. That's not a good combination. <br /><br />The way I see all of these arguments posted here is the following: yes, beating your wife or getting arrested with a DUI is worse - far worse- than writing stupid slurs in eye black on your face. <br /><br />But to the Blue Jays management, and MLB more generally, the difference is that the DUI is something the player does off the field. Escobar, when he puts his uniform on and takes the field, is "at work," and thus his actions and behaviour there necessarily represent the team, the league, and the image of both. <br /><br />If he makes insulting, offensive remarks, that could hurt the team, and they need to act. Hell, in Canada, offensive "hate speech" could in cases actually be criminal. Does AA want to wind up in front of a tribunal on hate speech? I doubt it.<br /><br />The punishment is appropriate, even if the slur is a matter of appeasing the gods of political correctness. Baseball, to the Blue Jays' brass, is a business, and they, like any employer, need to keep that in mind.<br />DWBuddhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12955276932812880108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-13856225317314233972012-09-18T19:15:37.470-04:002012-09-18T19:15:37.470-04:003 game suspension. A slap on the wrist if ever i s...3 game suspension. A slap on the wrist if ever i saw one. That just tells the rest of the team "do dumb shit, we don't mind". The culture on that team is starting to look like the BoSox. Gregg Zaun pointed a lot of it out on Primetime Sports. A lot of stupid errors both fielding and baserunning. Yunel always chasing every fly ball in the park as if it's his to catch. I'm starting to think laziness or lack of focus from management on down is more of a problem than the injuries. This final act of stupidity was the straw for me. Season over, i'll check in on the Jays during the offseason.Eddynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77667172824275485462012-09-18T16:56:35.166-04:002012-09-18T16:56:35.166-04:00I am the most outraged! My outrage is easily a 7!I am the most outraged! My outrage is easily a 7!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-11193454393070037212012-09-18T12:13:17.012-04:002012-09-18T12:13:17.012-04:00Well said TaoWell said Taotincanman2010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-83813007240630215342012-09-18T11:43:41.751-04:002012-09-18T11:43:41.751-04:00Well written post. I wouldn't be surprised if...Well written post. I wouldn't be surprised if he was suspended for the rest of the season.KissMyPurpleButtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-85951541019493617752012-09-18T11:34:29.681-04:002012-09-18T11:34:29.681-04:00People aren't thinking clearly when an act tha...<i>People aren't thinking clearly when an act that is, on the surface, nothing more than an offense against political correctness garners FAR more outrage than real violent, dangerous, and illegal behaviour by MLB players.</i><br /><br />1. There is no reason to think people who are outraged about this are not also outraged about other issues. It's possible to care about both at the same time. This one just happened though.<br /><br />2. Replace the word on Yunel's eyeblack with "nigger" and see if you still feel like it's merely an affront to political correctness. If you do, then i'm afraid the 21st century is going to be a very difficult place for you to survive.mike in bostonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77206762212923979252012-09-18T09:52:34.442-04:002012-09-18T09:52:34.442-04:00This is, by far, the worst piece of sensationalist...This is, by far, the worst piece of sensationalist drivel you've ever posted, Tao. You'll look back on this article in six months and be embarrassed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-33005727176429761192012-09-18T09:46:28.505-04:002012-09-18T09:46:28.505-04:00People aren't thinking clearly when an act tha...People aren't thinking clearly when an act that is, on the surface, nothing more than an offense against political correctness garners FAR more outrage than real violent, dangerous, and illegal behaviour by MLB players. It's a sad world we live in. Enjoy your stoning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-24176118261001013912012-09-18T08:27:47.358-04:002012-09-18T08:27:47.358-04:00I'm so sick of straight men racing to make exc...I'm so sick of straight men racing to make excuses for homophobic slurs.<br /><br />The word "b-tch" has two meanings as well. That's no excuse for writing it in your eye black.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-43076741982550718652012-09-18T00:10:11.568-04:002012-09-18T00:10:11.568-04:00Just a thought...
what if those stickers were an ...Just a thought...<br /><br />what if those stickers were an insult left for Escobar from teammates? <br /><br />What if he wore them to show what he has to deal with in the clubhouse? <br /><br />What if his locker room unpopularity is due to his sexuality?<br /><br />What if he comes 'out' tomorrow?<br /><br />Just saying<br /><br />@drazencarDanonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-16739043882822041282012-09-18T00:01:57.210-04:002012-09-18T00:01:57.210-04:00In every single major league ballpark, you can see...In every single major league ballpark, you can see the number 42 is retired. Every single one.<br /><br />Since that number was retired, a day has been set aside where every player wears the number 42 to remember how Jackie Robinson overcame bigotry and even threats on his life in a time where that seemed acceptable.<br /><br />What happened on the baseball field in Jackie Robinson's time mattered. It changed our entire culture.<br /><br />On Saturday, a baseball player on my hometown team played the entire game with a slur written on his face. <br /><br />It was a disgrace to the team. It was a disgrace to the Blue Jays uniform. It was a disgrace to the game of baseball. It was a disgrace to the legacy of Jackie Robinson.<br /><br />What was written on Yunel Escobar's face on Saturday matters. And, more importantly, our willingness to accept or not accept it also matters.Chrishttp://twitter.com/chrisciavaglianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-81481985851298908662012-09-17T23:50:32.205-04:002012-09-17T23:50:32.205-04:00Estúpido ignorante no sabe ni escribir en su idiom...Estúpido ignorante no sabe ni escribir en su idioma "tu eres maricon " is the correct formAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84619278109324628742012-09-17T23:41:22.120-04:002012-09-17T23:41:22.120-04:00Tao, thank you for a measured, well-thought out an...Tao, thank you for a measured, well-thought out and -written post. While, at best, this was a dumbass move by Escobar, I've been struggling with the hypocrisy that treats this as an isolated incident.<br /><br />As a female who follows sports, quite a bit online, I'm bombarded daily with casual misogyny. Some days I barely notice; lately, it's become more difficult to sit on my hands. It's a cultural thing, one I'm not expecting to change overnight, but I appreciate awareness from bloggers such as yourself. <br /><br />-djsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-85565816934063920562012-09-17T23:33:06.565-04:002012-09-17T23:33:06.565-04:00Well said. No matter what "sides" come o...Well said. No matter what "sides" come out, it matters for the very reasons you just stated so well. Catching up on the shitshow now, I think the people who frustrate me the most outside of the blatantly idiotic, are those who are being too dismissive towards it. Boys will be boys...ballplayers will be ballplayers...I don't care about locker room culture. It's not an excuse; even if it's reality, it's one that has to be spurred to change.<br /><br />Anyways, alas I have nothing controversial to comment. I really appreciated your post.Kathrynnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-63075360978686285272012-09-17T23:16:38.679-04:002012-09-17T23:16:38.679-04:00Lynch mob. Appropriate. Heh.Lynch mob. Appropriate. Heh.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-54476353582500015152012-09-17T23:11:05.129-04:002012-09-17T23:11:05.129-04:00" As a season ticket holder, he sees them at ..." As a season ticket holder, he sees them at most games, and some of them smile and nod and wave in his direction, recognizing him as a die-hard fan."<br /><br />As they should next week. This is Escobar's sh!tshow, and the fan shouldn't be ostracised or otherwise retaliated against.Mark Dowlinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399115211805036553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-86549215553453990602012-09-17T23:10:04.540-04:002012-09-17T23:10:04.540-04:00If he'd written "you're a sissy"...If he'd written "you're a sissy" would people be going nuts? I think not. But, let the lynch mob mentality run amok. Lynch mobs gonna lynch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-6723755020971886912012-09-17T23:00:58.552-04:002012-09-17T23:00:58.552-04:00Yunel and the Jays should apologize, they should e...Yunel and the Jays should apologize, they should ensure that there is some education for players in their organization, and that should be the end of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-41640440142276886022012-09-17T22:53:26.707-04:002012-09-17T22:53:26.707-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jonathan Johansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355874979533994856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-36619040943231757792012-09-17T22:52:07.974-04:002012-09-17T22:52:07.974-04:00For those calling for Yunel to never play for the ...For those calling for Yunel to never play for the Jays again, the mob mentality is laughable. Truly. Laughable. Righteous indignation knows no bounds. Drive drunk? Beat your wife? Meh. Bad boy. Say "f**got"? HANG HIM HIGH!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-84209758424760570522012-09-17T22:50:40.083-04:002012-09-17T22:50:40.083-04:00I strongly disagree here...if im not mistaken it w...I strongly disagree here...if im not mistaken it was Helen Lovejoy who was concerned for the children, not Maude Flandersscott malkinsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77063102795823746822012-09-17T22:48:20.279-04:002012-09-17T22:48:20.279-04:00I feel all the spanish speaking players are going ...I feel all the spanish speaking players are going to have to shoulder some of the blame for letting this "joke" last one inning let alone nine. Wasn't Omar Vizquel signed to a contract mainly to display veteran leadership and maturity? Luis Rivera had to have noticed this at some point during the game. Will he also be apologizing tomorrow during the press conference, or is he merely there to translate for Yunel? If a elementary school student was yelling gay slurs to other classmates, and the teacher didn't immediately stop him from doing so, I think the teacher would be in as much trouble as the student.<br /><br />That being said, I can't see AA throwing all the spanish players under the bus - Yunel will probably have to take the full impact on the blowback he is receiving now, and into next year at spring training.Jonathan Johansonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04355874979533994856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-36783236821239969942012-09-17T22:46:33.078-04:002012-09-17T22:46:33.078-04:00Tao you're right one doesn't preclude the ...Tao you're right one doesn't preclude the other but for those of you in the media or those that have a public platform it's kind of funny how a stupid comment will ramp the moral outrage up to levels not witnessed when a player drives under the influence or batters his wife or GF. You know situations that could actually be life threatening. <br /><br />It's funny as much as we all have the right to be offended, people still forget others have the right to offend even if it's disgusting. <br /><br />What they don't have the right to do is to injure or possibly kill. I hope the next time a player turns up in the news for such a reason you media guys of good character make a similar fuss. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-73093796111743006322012-09-17T22:42:52.514-04:002012-09-17T22:42:52.514-04:00I'll add another explanation. Lyrics. yep, ly...I'll add another explanation. Lyrics. yep, lyrics to a song. Regardless of that, bad taste for sure. dumb.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com