tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post4466616259418293861..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Mutiny! Uprising! Unrest!Tao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-60296927588140648802009-10-03T09:34:09.342-04:002009-10-03T09:34:09.342-04:00Torgen - Overbay may be 7th, but when the #1 guy h...Torgen - Overbay may be 7th, but when the #1 guy has a 966 OPS, the #4/5 guy has a 940 OPS and Overbay has a 923 OPS vs RHP...it's not a huge difference. It's not like the #1 guy has a 1.00 OPS and Overbay's sitting at 800 vs RHP. If you try to upgrade there, it's a marginal upgrade at best and it'll cost more than it's worth to add .020-.040 points of OPS just to be in the top 2-3 spots.Twitchyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05805183219626465177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-38298147639348439252009-10-03T01:58:58.440-04:002009-10-03T01:58:58.440-04:00This discontent has been out there if you read bet...This discontent has been out there if you read between the lines closely enough.<br /><br />And I'd be willing to bet that Halladay, Hill, Snider, Overbay, Barajas, Wells, Accardo, and Downs are amongst those who are leading the charge here. <br /><br />Anyone want to question their bona fides in asking what the manager is doing?<br /><br />If the manager were anyone other than Cito, the entirety of the fanbase would be ready to run that guy out of town by now.<br /><br />Cito, Beeston, Tennace, Leyva...all that old school group has got to get the hell out of town. It's over for them. <br /><br />The Blue Jays need a new identity, and can't keep reaching back to the heyday that is utterly irrelevant now.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-66732192507824159002009-10-03T01:39:10.257-04:002009-10-03T01:39:10.257-04:00@ REAN
There was some indication of Overbay's...@ REAN<br /><br />There was some indication of Overbay's unhappiness earlier in the season in a Jays pre-game interview with Howarth or Wilner (can't remember which right now), about being frustrated about being platooned. But he just said it's out of his hands.bkbladeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14993067848904779017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-9216582551651884152009-10-03T00:29:42.066-04:002009-10-03T00:29:42.066-04:00I stand corrected on Overbay...
Blue Jays first b...I stand corrected on Overbay...<br /><br />Blue Jays first baseman Lyle Overbay pointed to Gaston's "old-school" approach and said that it sometimes does not work well with younger members of the club.<br /><br />via Bastian. <br /><br />Maybe he just didn't speak to Wilner about it. (can't find where Mike clears Overbay's name to reference)REANhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01090485859186248405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-91761944410393741052009-10-02T23:51:00.445-04:002009-10-02T23:51:00.445-04:00Agreed. If any of the dozen players aren't Hil...Agreed. If any of the dozen players aren't Hill, Halladay, or Lind, they can eat a giant bag of fuck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-36746398693693881102009-10-02T21:02:17.040-04:002009-10-02T21:02:17.040-04:00Seems like a bunch of non-professionals if you ask...Seems like a bunch of non-professionals if you ask me... A 4th place team calling out their manager? Where was this discontent when the team was 10 games over .500?Jayszone93http://jayszone93.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-61943670251537899182009-10-02T19:30:49.884-04:002009-10-02T19:30:49.884-04:00I think you've missed the point Torgen. Overb...I think you've missed the point Torgen. Overbay's job is to hit right-handed pitching, which he does very well. It's Cito's job to platoon him with a lefty-masher, which he does an incompetant job of.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-91239761566671639722009-10-02T17:49:13.920-04:002009-10-02T17:49:13.920-04:00I haven't found a site that has EqA or wOBA sp...I haven't found a site that has EqA or wOBA splits sorted by position, but even if you take OPS, 7th in a 14 team league isn't good.Torgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254724427156121537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-71468533190590139092009-10-02T17:34:54.716-04:002009-10-02T17:34:54.716-04:00Right, but that's because his manager left Ove...Right, but that's because his manager left Overbay in vs LHP when he had a perfectly capable bench bat in Bautista.<br /><br />If you could tell me what Overbay's wOBA is vs RHP compared to other 1B I'd be interested. But I could care less how he does overall, because his vs LHP splits are meaningless in a platoon situation.Twitchyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05805183219626465177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-52950686133079369782009-10-02T16:48:04.289-04:002009-10-02T16:48:04.289-04:00So this is Wells' doing it. I bet he's pis...So this is Wells' doing it. I bet he's pissed that he got dropped down in the order. It must be Cito's fault he stunk so bad.<br /><br />Maybe just maybe, Cito didn't like the excessive partying of a certain fat bald centre fielder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77830000846397540222009-10-02T16:45:59.871-04:002009-10-02T16:45:59.871-04:00The only regular 1B on a playoff team with worse w...The only regular 1B on a playoff team with worse wOBA than Overbay is Loney, and all those guys face both handed pitchers.Torgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254724427156121537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-89527267648323452122009-10-02T16:28:09.833-04:002009-10-02T16:28:09.833-04:00Tao, this is basically what I was talking about:
...Tao, this is basically what I was talking about:<br /><br />“I don’t know what I’m going to say yet,” Beeston said, adding that he is not happy by the development. <br /><br />“I’m not pleased by it, I’m not pleased by any unnamed sources,” he said. “I’m not pleased by the fact that anybody would talk to the press before talking to me first. <br /><br />“If we’re going to be a (successful) organization that door's got to be open and I’ve told the players that before.” <br /><br />http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/players-fed-up-with-gaston/article1309575/davehttp://gojaysgo.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-5522431142300893942009-10-02T16:27:14.808-04:002009-10-02T16:27:14.808-04:00Bastian's Twitter:
Asked if it would be diffi...Bastian's Twitter:<br /><br />Asked if it would be difficult to play under Cito again in 2010, Wells: "I cant answer that question."<br /><br />Asked if it has ever been this bad in the clubhouse in the past, Wells: "No."Dane lorgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-10001914870705883492009-10-02T16:24:10.483-04:002009-10-02T16:24:10.483-04:00Cito also blamed all the Jays bloggers.
He won...Cito also blamed all the Jays bloggers.<br /><br />He won't be fired. He'll accept a reassignment in the organization.Stedronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01505875328065401356noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-58159160209830410832009-10-02T16:16:07.815-04:002009-10-02T16:16:07.815-04:00No, not go on the record. I would rather them keep...No, not go on the record. I would rather them keep it within the organization and talk to J.P., Beeston et al.<br /><br />Maybe they did that and felt nothing was going to happen.<br /><br />I think I'm just focusing on a far smaller issue becuase, of course, the players are right to be upset.davehttp://gojaysgo.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-58234001951603536302009-10-02T16:11:29.284-04:002009-10-02T16:11:29.284-04:00Shit's hitting the fan. This is awesome.Shit's hitting the fan. This is awesome.Navin Vaswani (@eyebleaf)https://www.blogger.com/profile/08445618400360263938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-61904952499364533212009-10-02T14:59:12.793-04:002009-10-02T14:59:12.793-04:00What do you expect Dave? That they're going to...What do you expect Dave? That they're going to let Cito have it publicly? <br /><br />Of course they won't.<br /><br />But this has been simmering for a while. Overbay has said in a few interviews that he's found the playing time issue frustrating, because he doesn't feel like he can get in a groove. Snider was frustrated at how much tutelage he was getting. Accardo was frustrated with being jerked around.<br /><br />The players probably see the same thing we do every night, and ask themselves why Cito refuses to put his best lineup in on most nights, preferring to take some notional longview of the situation that just doesn't seem to acknowledge the importance of each night's game.<br /><br />Maybe if the team was managed a little more aggressively, they get four or five more wins this season. To guys who are as competitive as pro athletes, those four or five wins matter, even if they don't result in a playoff spot or a record above .500.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-73247303902996002882009-10-02T14:35:18.533-04:002009-10-02T14:35:18.533-04:00"an off-the-record campaign"
Does that ..."an off-the-record campaign"<br /><br />Does that annoy anyone else? Has that become a normal way to do things in sports? <br /><br />I don't think it's the right way to deal with someone you have a problem with. I'm as frustrated as anyone with Cito's lineup choices and handling of the bullpen but he deserves to be treated better than having a bunch of pussies call Wilner over "in hushed tones" and bitch.<br /><br />I don't know, maybe that is an appropriate way to deal with things in baseball now. And hell, maybe the players did talk to Cito, J.P. and Beeston themselves and this was their last resort. <br /><br />Just irks me.davehttp://gojaysgo.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-77346173435771905352009-10-02T14:29:59.290-04:002009-10-02T14:29:59.290-04:00THIS SHIP HAS SUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow, Shea Hillenbr...THIS SHIP HAS SUNK!!!!!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Wow, Shea Hillenbrand should become the new Miss Cleo.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-49961738465905941822009-10-02T14:26:59.707-04:002009-10-02T14:26:59.707-04:00Overbay's not exactly a problem for the Jays t...Overbay's not exactly a problem for the Jays this year. He's 7th in the AL in OPS against RHP for 1B (923). Ahead of some scrub named Morneau.<br /><br />It's irrelevant how he does against LHP, because he shouldn't be facing them. Bautista should be facing all lefties for Overbay, especially considering the fact he's (Bautista) got a 936 OPS against them.<br /><br />You put Overbay & Bautista together and you've got a cheap, effective, 900+ OPS 1B.<br /><br />Seriously, the Jays have bigger issues to worry about then the fact that Overbay can't hit lefties - especially when they've got a perfect platoon partner for him.Twitchyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05805183219626465177noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-9087878762249066692009-10-02T14:20:03.722-04:002009-10-02T14:20:03.722-04:00Only a matter of time before Cito complains about ...Only a matter of time before Cito complains about racism againSPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15861389212599241745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-75779827066249232672009-10-02T13:56:07.040-04:002009-10-02T13:56:07.040-04:00What do you mean, Overbay has had a good season? H...What do you mean, Overbay has had a good season? He'd be in the bottom third of everyday first basemen if he was an everyday first baseman, but he almost always got the platoon advantage so he should have been much better.Torgenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12254724427156121537noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-32417877605369480082009-10-02T13:43:14.648-04:002009-10-02T13:43:14.648-04:00From Wilner's post "I couldn’t do anythin...From Wilner's post "I couldn’t do anything with the story because no one would agree to go on the record with me, but never in the time that I’ve been covering this team have I seen clubhouse discontent like this."<br /><br />What a bunch of chickens!<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-mkiNYjlCA" rel="nofollow">Coo-coo-ka-cha!!</a>Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-33898688822852515232009-10-02T13:27:27.386-04:002009-10-02T13:27:27.386-04:00In his comment responses Wilner has said Overbay w...In his comment responses Wilner has said Overbay wasn't in on this...Wilner has also posted a new blog about his very topic. <br /><br />http://blog.rogersbroadcasting.com/mikewilner/2009/10/02/the-cito-has-hit-the-fan/Silly Erickushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02639832599227213064noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-49538618952580183532009-10-02T13:14:44.798-04:002009-10-02T13:14:44.798-04:00I bet it was Shea Hillenbrand.I bet it was Shea Hillenbrand.Darren Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04577092117174508443noreply@blogger.com