tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post1147343684717411848..comments2023-12-15T07:22:02.492-05:00Comments on The Tao of Stieb: Splish Splash - This Is What You've Wanted All AlongTao of Stiebhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-18083493036673310592012-11-19T22:37:18.869-05:002012-11-19T22:37:18.869-05:00I like the trade, can't say otherwise. Certai...I like the trade, can't say otherwise. Certainly Jays fans won't be able to polish the glossy sheen on the unknown futures of Marisnick, Nicolino and Hech, but it's not as if the minors are now about as barren as Stephen Harper's honesty. Besides, there are other prospects to get excited about, such as Santiago Nessy, Roberto Osuna, Alberto Tirado, D.J Davis et al.<br /><br />I also like the Cabrera signing, though I'm slightly concerned how Melky will do without the aid of pharmaceutical enhancement. Without his chemical sherpa to guide him up almost up the summit of the NL batting title, I honestly don't know what to expect of Melky when climbing solo.<br /><br />Bruno Gerusi's Moustachenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-52590035711957255762012-11-16T12:01:14.260-05:002012-11-16T12:01:14.260-05:00ugg coats ugg australia for kids ugg australia for...ugg coats ugg australia for kids ugg australia for men http://www.bootssecher.co.uk [url=http://www.fdidboots.co.uk][img]http://www.fdidboots.co.uk/images/ugg-boots.jpg alt="cheap ugg" title="cheap ugg boots"[/img][/url] <br />[url=http://www.fdidboots.co.uk/#x7s22t87u][b]online ugg[/b][/url]<br />[url=http://www.bootssecher.co.uk/#i4e13n93m][b]bootssecher.co.uk[/b][/url]<br />[url=http://www.vtallboots.org.uk/#z1q08h49s][b]uk ugg[/b][/url]<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-75915156040091654252012-11-16T08:56:11.740-05:002012-11-16T08:56:11.740-05:00i am with tao a little in that
A) we gave up 4 p...i am with tao a little in that <br /><br />A) we gave up 4 pieces of controllable young talent with upside plus a legit major SS on a team friendly deal, and we got back two 1-yr-old free agent contracts and 1 yr of an ace. so it feels like an overpay without a real 'key' acquisition (unless johnson extends or you think reyes at 5/100 is what the jays wanted all along).<br /><br />B) the last time rogers opened the wallets (burnett, ryan, wells, glaus, overbay, thomas) there was actually some decent value in there, but the two bad contracts ended up scaring off ownership from spending for 6 years. if this goes badly (as it very easily could), are we in for another 6 years in the desert under a new GM?plain_gnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-51983643926700799892012-11-16T08:46:46.548-05:002012-11-16T08:46:46.548-05:00AA saw an opening and took it. Its a gamble. I h... AA saw an opening and took it. Its a gamble. I happen to think a good one. Even if JJ leaves after 2013, AA will give him the qualifying offer and we will at least get a draft pick out of it. <br /><br />I don't think AA is done yet. As many have said there are 4 catchers on the 40-man. <br /><br />Can't wait for April...KissMyPurpleButtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-56012807429970549012012-11-16T06:48:49.993-05:002012-11-16T06:48:49.993-05:00Agreed, it is good that they didn't sell the w...Agreed, it is good that they didn't sell the whole farm on this one. I like the trade a ton at first, a little less once i looked at the overall. Hopefully we can extend JJ and therefore really make it worth while. Buehrle i think is worth every penny even if he goes .500 the whole way. He's a veteren that eats innings. From all accounts his prep is second to none, so i see him and RickyRo getting on famously (and perhaps helping each other?). The biggest wrinkle i think could be if Reyes is pissy because he's now moved from the place he chose one year before. Can his legs handle the turf at the Dome? I hope so.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15986081731155642653noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-17478246636937722532012-11-15T18:56:52.218-05:002012-11-15T18:56:52.218-05:00Tao: I understand your reservations, but I think y...Tao: I understand your reservations, but I think you're overlooking an important point. The fact is that this trade does *not* get away from the idea of building through the minors. The Jays still have a deep system, but it's in the lower minors. That's what happens when you draft a lot of high-school players. Even if they had done nothing, they would still have had to wait for several years before these players made the majors. So they played both games -- they traded away a couple of players in the high minors to allow them (hopefully) to contend in the next couple of years. And when that's done, the next wave of minor-league players will have arrived. So it's not one or the other -- AA has played both games! Brilliant.Davidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14033581098178650932012-11-15T09:57:54.314-05:002012-11-15T09:57:54.314-05:00Ok...here's the responses. (Because I always h...Ok...here's the responses. (Because I always have to have the last word. Stamped it, no erasies.)<br /><br />Devin: It's easy for you to be a cheeky monkey, what with those two World Series titles in the last three years. Laugh it up.<br /><br />Ack: (Deep breath...) You're totally right. I don't fault the team at all for this trade, and I think it is actually kinda brilliant in some ways.<br /><br />I think what I'm pushing back on is the narrative that has started already, where the Jays started to spend and therefore spending is the only path to contention/glory/playoffs. IF this works, I fear that people are going to forget how they acquired JoBau and EE and rehabilitated them, or how they took a chance on Brandon Morrow, or the time and effort they spent on nurturing Casey Janssen. <br /><br />Moreover, I still hold to the idea that you need to draft, develop or acquire young talent to form the core of a perpetual contender, and I think that this latest transaction - while still very positive - is a bit of a step away from that process. <br /><br />Thankfully, the team didn't empty their very deep farm system for this deal.<br /><br />Do I contradict myself? Very well then. I contradict myself. I contain multitudes.Tao of Stiebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12459135109404905466noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-49779929796860178192012-11-15T09:54:35.992-05:002012-11-15T09:54:35.992-05:00why won't those hallday evangelists go away? ...why won't those hallday evangelists go away? he loves it in phillie, he forced a trade out of toronto and his team mates thought he was a jerk (plus he's in decline).<br /><br />bakatronhttp://www.bakatron.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-14434608188600934232012-11-15T03:37:43.018-05:002012-11-15T03:37:43.018-05:00hey , how about sending happ and drabek back to ph...hey , how about sending happ and drabek back to philly along with johnson for doc? the jays really only need a 2 year bridge to get to the "young guns" so why not bring doc back and see if they can get a championship for him in toronto?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-39976025388938844522012-11-14T17:21:02.026-05:002012-11-14T17:21:02.026-05:00I was as excited about this trade as I have been a...I was as excited about this trade as I have been about anything going into a season since 1993. Finding out Johnson only has a year left on his contract diminished that a touch, but just a touch.<br /><br />I think Ack has it right: What are the other options here? A poker player who only puts his money in with the nuts is a losing player. And you can extend the analogy to taking on a potentially bad contract- every good player loses hands they bet hard.<br /><br />Results are what determine success, but I think any semi-knowledgeable fan can look at this trade and fairly say that AA did something to make this team substantially more capable without ruining the farm system. The team may not wind up better- every new guy might blow out a knee in spring training- but AA made something happen in a realm where he has more leverage (trading as opposed to FA signings).<br /><br />TLDR: I'll take my chances with this one.DJnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-24293725089450990942012-11-14T17:06:55.803-05:002012-11-14T17:06:55.803-05:00I want even more!I want even more!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-71845306550176515142012-11-14T15:50:34.277-05:002012-11-14T15:50:34.277-05:00^^ probably infant induced lack of sleep.^^ probably infant induced lack of sleep.KissMyPurpleButtnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-66534948925001018782012-11-14T15:11:57.012-05:002012-11-14T15:11:57.012-05:00I think you've been forgetting to take your ha...I think you've been forgetting to take your happy pills Tao...like..every dayAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-71877437498945041712012-11-14T14:53:22.818-05:002012-11-14T14:53:22.818-05:00it maybe last year's marlins splash but they d...it maybe last year's marlins splash but they didn't have 3 other legit MLB starters plus bautista (ok lets pair him off with stanton), but then ee and lawrie are expected 3-5 WAR players also. this is going to be a good team and a very fun team to watch. additionally, it is last year's splash at last year's prices in a marketplace that is inflating very rapidly do to TV money. plus, it's not over yet. a catcher will be moved for a pitcher to give us 6 MLB quality starters plus Drabek and Hutch potentially back later in the year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-70221670315796394022012-11-14T14:50:08.793-05:002012-11-14T14:50:08.793-05:00I'll recognize that a bigger payroll permits t...<i>I'll recognize that a bigger payroll permits the Jays to make some mistakes and sit on them if they need to</i><br /><br /><br />Yes. While it's obviously better not to take on bad contracts, this option shouldn't be completely rejected. <br /><br />If every contract you take on needs to be team friendly, then I don't think you can hope to win the AL East. Payroll flexibility allows you to make calculated gambles like this one, and those gambles might well pay off and get you to 93+ wins.mike in bostonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-83441903204660928682012-11-14T13:57:56.601-05:002012-11-14T13:57:56.601-05:00What's the alternative, Tao? Overpay in the F...What's the alternative, Tao? Overpay in the FA market for Anibal and Edwin to find those 2 starters? <br /><br />Target bounceback/reclamation projects, or 2nd tier guys, hoping for an Orioles-esque resurgence all the while waiting for the other shoe to drop?<br /><br />Wait on the prospect seeds to finally bloom, and hope the fanbase isn't so disenchanted when they do that they don't bother returning?<br /><br />Sincerely, I am not trolling you - far from it - I just think that while it is true that we the fans and the media may have backed AA into this corner, isn't this the direction we have always agreed the club is headed? Trade the chips when the time is right, and open up the wallets. Well, here we are.<br /><br />I suppose my premise is, any big money move or series of big money moves will come with a pile of risk, otherwise it's a strategy every single franchise would take.<br /><br />AA, Beeston, and Rogers exec took the temperature of the fanbase and decided this was a necessary spend. I find it difficult to argue that if ever there would be a time to do it, now is that time.The Ackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12374953233006854310noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2484762138483195409.post-90677523234550069972012-11-14T13:55:11.224-05:002012-11-14T13:55:11.224-05:00If Buehrle turns into Barry Zito, that means he...If Buehrle turns into Barry Zito, that means he'll pitch the Jays to the World Series in his second to last year of his contract. That's airtight logic! Amirite? Amirite?D. Shawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08598034752112505284noreply@blogger.com